shivalinga

contrary to anti abortionists not only is there nothing
in the bible specifically against abortion, there is in fact
specifically pro abortion verses.


http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortion.ht.../abortion.html



from this article

There is actually one commandment from God to Moses to have a priest mix a potion that might produce an abortion if a man’s wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31).

http://www.population-security.org/swom-97-11.htm

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the many right wing bible waggers also condemn cannabis,
even though in their theology God gave every seed bearing plant
to man, and in fact cannabis(from Kaneh bosm) is highly extolled
both ritually and otherwise in the bible.

http://www.hempbc.com/magazine/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html

shivalinga

that above link didn't connect try this

http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortion.html

-DM-

From the above article: "Since there was no biblical basis for their position on abortion, the bishops...." I think that many if not most Christians (especially fundamentalists) would disagree. So far as they are concerned, the commandment "Do not kill/murder" covers abortion inasmuch as abortion is seen as killing/murder.

At the above site we are given the following biblical verse:
"THEN GOD SAID, I GIVE YOU EVERY SEED-BEARING
PLANT ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE
EARTH, AND EVERY TREE THAT
HAS FRUIT IN IT."

Trouble is, the quote is incomplete. It should be:
"Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;"

Cannabis does not qualify as food, so far as I know.

-Don-

shivalinga

actually many health food stores sell cannabis
seed foodstuffs, or plain seed, it has a long tradition as a food
and is quite tasty, similar to sesame seed.

also the drink Bhang in india and tibet has a long tradition
in fact Bengal (anglicized version of Bangla-desh)
is named after the Bhang tribe, cannabis was consumed by many
vedic ritual observers, in bengal especially the shakta cult,
so Bangla-Desh means land of the Bhang people,
who were shaktas and consumed lots of Bhang,
( milk,cannabis, spices)

Llyricist

Actually Exodus 21:22 :
If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.

Seems to be the only mention of any sort of "killing" of unborn, and it is clearly NOT the same as murder, that is:

Exodus 21:23
But if damage comes to her, let life be given in payment for life,

Exodus 21:24
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:25
Burning for burning, wound for wound, blow for blow.

shivalinga

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1425.html

not only in india but all over asia it was used a foodstuff.

Toto

Both of these topics have been covered in greated depth and maturity, in this forum and in GRD:

Jesus used cannabis

Herbal-induced abortion in the Bible?

shivalinga

well then, i don't know about that.

but it has been covered to some extant,
although i gave some new stuff.

here is some more.

Soma in ancient aryan culture was known as Amrita,
nectar of the god's, this myth went to greece and became
ambrosia,a plant derived drink that gives immortality
and great physical and mental prowess, in the persian aryan culture it was called Hoama.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/s/soma.html

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/ar.../ambrosia.html

http://www.tientai.net/glossary/soma.htm



archeologists think there is very good evidence to support the theory
that soma was made from cannabis or it least it was an ingredient in soma.

this is supported by much evidence.

The aryan people in iran called soma ,hoama,
and sacrificial bowls used in hoama ceremonies have been found and they contained resin of cannibis and ephedra.

The use of soma is found quite extensively in the Vedas and supposedly what it was ,is not known.
Why is this ?

The logical explanation is that it simply
changed names.
For a drink that was so honored and used, as soma was, it is inconcievable that it could simply dissappear without a trace.

A better explination is that all of the traditions of bhang being the favorite of shiva is due to the fact of soma also being his favorite.

In Tibet where the ancient traditions have
changed less then other parts,the word
Somaraja means the lord of cannabis.
This is significant,it is an ancient word,not a new concept.

The descriptions of soma vary in the vedas,sometimes it is described as green
and juicy,other times as yellowish/greenish leafless sticks.

cannabis is green and juicy,and ephedra is yellowish/greenish leafless sticks.

The tradition of cannabis intake in india had to have stared somewhere,it didn't appear out of nowhere.
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Other scientists have speculated that soma may be a mushroom,that is not acceptable.
soma is described as being used regularly,and mushrooms are much to
unpredictable to be used in a common regular social fashion,they are strong hallucinagens and would not be used due to the many bad side affects.
Also mushrooms do not conform to the descriptions in the vedas.

So all together it would seem that the tradition of soma,became bhang,simply a change of names.
otherwise bhang would seem to appear out of nowhere,and soma to have completely dissappeared,both highly unlikely.

here is more on the soma -cannabis connection
a very good link.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/321

shivalinga

http://www.rxmarihuana.com/mood_stablizer.htm

interesting data on anti depressaent action.

-DM-

Interesting. Thank you. (This isn't the first time that I have been wrong.)

Of course, when I hear the word "cannabis," I usually think of its use as an "intoxicating hallucinogenic drug" (dictionary definition).

-Don-