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austin2 · 10-10-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by spin

I strongly recommend that people don't use this translation:

"The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English", Geza Vermes, Penguin

There are better translations available:

The Dead Sea Scrolls Translated, Florentino Garcia Martinez, Brill/Eerdmans

The Dead Sea Scrolls: A New Translation, Michael Wise, Martin Abegg, Jr., and Edward Cook, Harper

For really keen people,

The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition (2 vols), Martinez & Tigchelaar, Brill/Eerdmans

This pair includes transcriptions of the original languages.

Eerdmans has also put out quite a range of single volumes about the scrolls, each volume containing a number of useful though specialist essays. Volumes include "The Bible at Qumran", "The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Origins of the Bible", "Religion in the Dead Sea Scrolls" and various others.

A book on Messianism with respect to the scrolls is "The Sceptre and the Star", J.J. Collins.

spin

what is wrong with Geza Vermez's translation, that makes you question his scholarship and translation ?

what are YOUR qualifications to make this statement?

yummyfur · 10-10-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by austin2

what is wrong with Geza Vermez's translation, that makes you question his scholarship and translation ?

what are YOUR qualifications to make this statement?

I can't speak for spin, but Vermes's book is not complete, because it doesn't include fragmentary scrolls or biblical books. It only has 70 texts whereas Martinez's book has 270, the Michael Wise, Martin Abegg, Jr., and Edward Cook has 300.

I think many scholars consider Vermes' translation to be less literal than others.

There's also The Dead Sea Scrolls Reader. 6 vols. Parry, Donald, and Emanuel Tov. Leiden: Brill, 2004-5 that just came out, it is possibly an improvement over The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition, in that it includes notation to indicate damaged letters.

austin2 · 10-10-2005, 10:43 PM

eveb Spin can't speak for Spin

:-)

spin · 10-11-2005, 12:47 PM

What do you want now? Wasn't yummyfur's response adequate?

austin2 · 10-12-2005, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

What do you want now? Wasn't yummyfur's response adequate?

why are you getting so defensive?

I asked two simple questions?

I think you are lucky the other poster supplied you with an answer, if you want to know.

You still haven't answered in any good faith

spin · 10-12-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by austin2

why are you getting so defensive?

I asked two simple questions?

I think you are lucky the other poster supplied you with an answer, if you want to know.

You still haven't answered in any good faith

You get what you earn. I haven't seen in your 39 posts any evidence that you are in a position to make any judgments.

spin

austin2 · 10-12-2005, 09:15 PM

LOL

Martinez book is in Spanish...so the English version would be a translation of Martinez translation

and of course Martinez sees the Scrolls, most written centuries before Jesus to 100 yrs after Jesus, through his Christian prism, no?

You seem a little petty Spin

maybe when you grow up

whatever

austin2 · 10-12-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

You get what you earn. I haven't seen in your 39 posts any evidence that you are in a position to make any judgments.
spin

nasty little jab, ouch

what are your specific issues with my posts?

Chris Weimer · 10-12-2005, 10:11 PM

Who are these people, and when have they actually ever seen a Dead Sea scroll before? Jeesh, is now everyone a Dead Sea scholar?

BTW - spin, thanks for the pictures. It's coming along better now as I compare it to me Martinez.

:rolling:

spin · 10-12-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by austin2

nasty little jab, ouch

what are your specific issues with my posts?

Irrelevance.

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austin2 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: california Posts: 52	eveb Spin can't speak for Spin :-)

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austin2 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: california Posts: 52	LOL Martinez book is in Spanish...so the English version would be a translation of Martinez translation and of course Martinez sees the Scrolls, most written centuries before Jesus to 100 yrs after Jesus, through his Christian prism, no? You seem a little petty Spin maybe when you grow up whatever

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Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	Who are these people, and when have they actually ever seen a Dead Sea scroll before? Jeesh, is now everyone a Dead Sea scholar? BTW - spin, thanks for the pictures. It's coming along better now as I compare it to me Martinez. :rolling:

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