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Layman · 04-07-2004, 11:26 PM

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The resurrected (sorry, resuscitated) saints in Matthew must also have had new bodies, unless 'Dawn of the Dead' is actually a hard-hitting documentary.

Presumably they had already gone to be with Christ, and must have been a little upset to get back their natural bodies, and go through all the trauma of dying again (or possibly even backsliding and losing the place in Heaven they already had has)

I do not know if Paul was aware of that episode in the Gospel of Matthew.

Steven Carr · 04-07-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Layman

I do not know if Paul was aware of that episode in the Gospel of Matthew.

Is this because Paul fails to mention it?

Paul hardly seems to be an expert on resurrection or resuscitation if he is not aware of the most recent examples of resuscitated bodies.

Why do you consider Paul an authority on the subject if he is ignorant of what happened to those particular bodies which had been planted into the ground?

Did those resuscitated people get new bodies?

Layman · 04-07-2004, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

Is this because Paul fails to mention it?

That and its not in Mark or Q. He may have. I do not know.

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Paul hardly seems to be an expert on resurrection or resuscitation if he is not aware of the most recent examples of resuscitated bodies.

I'm not sure what you mean by being an expert.

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Why do you consider Paul an authority on the subject if he is ignorant of what happened to those particular bodies which had been planted into the ground?

Christians believe Paul was an apostle. His authority derives from his commission.

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Did those resuscitated people get new bodies?

I do not know and have not given it much thought.

Steven Carr · 04-07-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Layman

That and its not in Mark or Q. He may have. I do not know.

Lots of things are not in Paul, Mark or Q. Is triple non-attestation a criterion for inauthenticity?

It seems these resuscitated corpses did get new bodies. Their bodies must have been rather decomposed otherwise.

But were they with Christ before they rose from their graves?

Layman · 04-07-2004, 11:52 PM

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Lots of things are not in Paul, Mark or Q. Is triple non-attestation a criterion for inauthenticity?

I did not say it was inauthentic. I said that I did not know whether Paul was aware of it.

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It seems these resuscitated corpses did get new bodies. Their bodies must have been rather decomposed otherwise.

Perhaps. I'm not sure what kind of bodies they were, though.

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But were they with Christ before they rose from their graves?

That is an interesting question.

Layman · 04-08-2004, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by capnkirk

layman,

In my OP I posed this question: "All through Paul's letters, he speaks of the resurrection of the dead at the end of history. I can find no NT reference to the contemporary concept that people's souls go directly into some form of afterlife immediately after death. Though I can readily speculate the mythmaking process that "could" have led to this novel interpretation, I haven't read anything that would tell me where along the way this reinterpretation took place."

That places the burden of proof on you, not on me.

I have not laid out scriptures to prove anything. Judge did...and I responded, that is all.

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Enterprise...OUT.

I already provided you with the references from Paul showing he believed in the continuation of the soul. You then said that Paul held incompatible ideas on the subject. You have yet to prove tha the two ideas are incompatible.

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