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Johnny Skeptic · 12-07-2006, 05:55 AM

I look forward to reading comments from readers.

Malachi151 · 12-07-2006, 06:03 AM

No, it clearly supports it.

Edit: Here is an article that is related to this subject, though indirectly:

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/ar...win_nazism.htm

arricchio · 12-07-2006, 07:04 AM

No, the Bible is blatently pro-slavery. In my opinion this is the strongest argument against the idea that the Bible forms the basis for morality and law.

Defenders of slavery in the Antebellum South argued very forcefully that the Bible was pro-slavery, and any attempt to outlaw it, or even restrict it, was unscriptural. I think they were right. So, either the 13th Amendment is a sin, or the Bible is wrong on the subject of slavery.
See my earlier rants on this subject:
here
here
and here

Boro Nut · 12-07-2006, 09:35 AM

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don't get me started

Why not? By all accounts your average slave was very pro-'the bible'. Can't your average honest bible author reciprocate the feeling?

Boro Nut

arricchio · 12-07-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boro Nut

Why not? By all accounts your average slave was very pro-'the bible'. Can't your average honest bible author reciprocate the feeling?

Boro Nut

What I meant was I tend to go on a tirade about this everytime some fundie gives me the ole "our nation was founded on biblical principals" schtick. I usually ask them which biblical principals they mean. Slavery? Monarchy? Slaughtering native inhabitants? Sacrificing children? Offering your daughter to rapists? If these are the type of things condoned in the bible we are better off without it.

Boro Nut · 12-07-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by arricchio

What I meant was I tend to go on a tirade about this everytime some fundie gives me the ole "our nation was founded on biblical principals" schtick.

To which the obvious response is 'Sounds like a nice place. So why don't you fuck off back there then?'

Boro Nut

Berggy · 12-07-2006, 05:02 PM

To the OP, what exactly is your definition of "slavery"?

Gundulf · 12-07-2006, 06:59 PM

Well, Paul did rank slave traders right up there with people that kill their parents...

Johnny Skeptic · 12-07-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Berggy

To the OP, what exactly is your definition of "slavery"?

Involuntary servitude. Are you aware that God ordered the death penalty for a Jew who killed a Jew, but not for a Jew who killed a slave?

IndigoDad · 12-07-2006, 11:04 PM

Biblical revelation hasn't, until relatively recently, been as broadly accepted as applying to all homo sapiens. Especially the OT.

Thus the slavery issue. Thus the killing of the innocent issues. Thus the general killing vs. murder issues.

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Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Does the Bible clearly oppose slavery? I look forward to reading comments from readers.

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arricchio Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: St. Louis Posts: 980	Dont' get me started! No, the Bible is blatently pro-slavery. In my opinion this is the strongest argument against the idea that the Bible forms the basis for morality and law. Defenders of slavery in the Antebellum South argued very forcefully that the Bible was pro-slavery, and any attempt to outlaw it, or even restrict it, was unscriptural. I think they were right. So, either the 13th Amendment is a sin, or the Bible is wrong on the subject of slavery. See my earlier rants on this subject: here here and here

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Malachi151 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 8,674	No, it clearly supports it. Edit: Here is an article that is related to this subject, though indirectly: http://www.rationalrevolution.net/ar...win_nazism.htm

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Berggy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: USA Posts: 43	To the OP, what exactly is your definition of "slavery"?

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Gundulf Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 2,902	Well, Paul did rank slave traders right up there with people that kill their parents...

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IndigoDad Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lake Tahoe Posts: 103	Biblical revelation hasn't, until relatively recently, been as broadly accepted as applying to all homo sapiens. Especially the OT. Thus the slavery issue. Thus the killing of the innocent issues. Thus the general killing vs. murder issues.

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