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fallingblood · 06-18-2004, 02:18 PM

The Priory of Sion is said to be one of Europe's oldes and most influential secret societies. It is a quasi-Masionic or chivalric order with cretain political ambitions and, it seems, considerable behind-the-scenes power. The underlying power of the Priory of Sion is partly due to the suggestion that its members are, and always have been, gaurdians of a great secret. This secret is said, if made public, would shake the very foundation of the Church.

The Priory of Sion goes by other names such as the Order of Sion and the Order of Our Lady of Sion. They claim to have been founded in 1099, during the First Crusade. This was just a formalization of the group though. Their gaurdianship of their great secret went back much farther.

The Priory of Sion claim to have been behind the creation of the Knights Templar (which I will discuss in another thread later unless someone else does first). The Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar was presided over by the same Grand Master until they suffered a schism and went their seperate ways in 1188.

The Priory of Sion continued under the leadership of a series of Grand Masters, including Sir Issac Newton, Sandro Filipepi (known as Botticelli), Robert Fludd, Leonardo da Vinci, Victor Hugo, Claude Debussy, and Jean Cocteau. It also attracted many celebrites including Joan of Arc, Nostradamus (Michel de Notre Dame), and even Pope John XXIII. They also attracted some of the greates royal and aristotic families in Europe for generation after generation. These families include the d'Anjous, the Hapsburgs, the Sinclairs, and the Montgomeries.

The reported aim of the Priory of Sion is to protect the descendants of the old Merovingian dynasty of kings in what is now present-day France (some also believe that the descendants of the Merovingian Kings are also the descendants of Jesus's kids).

Now I have some questions.
1) Do they exist?
2) Do they have a great secret?
3) Who do you think they are?
4) Does anyone know anything about them?

penumbra · 06-18-2004, 02:22 PM

By chance did you just finish reading "Holy Blood, Holy Grail"?

Toto · 06-18-2004, 02:48 PM

Or perhaps you have been reading The Da Vinci Code

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The Da Vinci Fraud

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Finally, though, the legitimacy of the Priory of Sion history rests on a cache of clippings and pseudonymous documents that even the authors of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" suggest were planted in the Bibliotheque Nationale by a man named Pierre Plantard. As early as the 1970's, one of Plantard's confederates had admitted to helping him fabricate the materials, including genealogical tables portraying Plantard as a descendant of the Merovingians (and, presumably, of Jesus Christ) and a list of the Priory's past "grand masters." This patently silly catalog of intellectual celebrities stars Botticelli, Isaac Newton, Jean Cocteau and, of course, Leonardo da Vinci -- and it's the same list Dan Brown trumpets, along with the alleged nine-century pedigree of the Priory, in the front matter for ''The Da Vinci Code,'' under the heading of "Fact." Plantard, it eventually came out, was an inveterate rascal with a criminal record for fraud and affiliations with wartime anti-Semitic and right-wing groups. The actual Priory of Sion was a tiny, harmless group of like-minded friends formed in 1956.

Plantard's hoax was debunked by a series of (as yet untranslated) French books and a 1996 BBC documentary, but curiously enough, this set of shocking revelations hasn't proved as popular as the fantasia of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," or, for that matter, as "The Da Vinci Code." The only thing more powerful than a worldwide conspiracy, it seems, is our desire to believe in one.

Garnet · 06-18-2004, 02:56 PM

I was reading Holy Blood, Holy Grail last night. I bought the book because I'd read the DaVinci Code and enjoyed it. However, the HBHG now lies in pieces in my trash can. Why? Because I got to the part of the book that in essence states that part of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was based on an earlier Priory document. At that point, I couldn't even enjoy the book as fiction.

Bah! Will those horrendous forgeries ever go away?

penumbra · 06-18-2004, 03:00 PM

Toto mentioned "The DaVinci Code". Well, at least that doesn't claim to be non-fiction.

I haven't read it though, I'm waiting for someone to "find" the magic links from those claims to the legends of Rennes-le-Chateau and the Chalice Well at Glastonbury. Heck, if I had a better imagination, I'd write it myself.

fallingblood · 06-18-2004, 03:22 PM

Toto- Actually I did read The da Vinci Code. But thats just what started me one this. I did some research after that, and came up with some more stuff. I didn't know if it was true or not though. So that's pretty much the reason I began this thread, was to see if someone could give me more information, or show that they were fake.

MysteryProf · 06-18-2004, 06:53 PM

fallingblood:

Since you've just read Da Vinci Code, I recommend that you next read "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. I find his (albeit still fictional) view of secret societies to be far more accurate.

Has anyone else read that book? If so, I'm sure you get my meaning. If not, read it -- you'll laugh your ass off when you get to the end.

Actually, from what I can tell, all of those templar/priory/mason/rosicrucian groups arose pretty late in the game. I wouldn't give them much credit. You can probably still find tons of lit on them at your local bookstore, though -- that stuff is everywhere right now!

mrmoderate · 06-18-2004, 11:15 PM

The Da Vinci Code was enjoyably written, but certainly not very good. Too many convieniences in the plot line. I found myself guessing what was going to happen pages before it happened.

The story is based strictly on gnostic writings.

06-18-2004, 02:18 PM	#1
fallingblood Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mandan, ND Posts: 80	Priory of Sion The Priory of Sion is said to be one of Europe's oldes and most influential secret societies. It is a quasi-Masionic or chivalric order with cretain political ambitions and, it seems, considerable behind-the-scenes power. The underlying power of the Priory of Sion is partly due to the suggestion that its members are, and always have been, gaurdians of a great secret. This secret is said, if made public, would shake the very foundation of the Church. The Priory of Sion goes by other names such as the Order of Sion and the Order of Our Lady of Sion. They claim to have been founded in 1099, during the First Crusade. This was just a formalization of the group though. Their gaurdianship of their great secret went back much farther. The Priory of Sion claim to have been behind the creation of the Knights Templar (which I will discuss in another thread later unless someone else does first). The Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar was presided over by the same Grand Master until they suffered a schism and went their seperate ways in 1188. The Priory of Sion continued under the leadership of a series of Grand Masters, including Sir Issac Newton, Sandro Filipepi (known as Botticelli), Robert Fludd, Leonardo da Vinci, Victor Hugo, Claude Debussy, and Jean Cocteau. It also attracted many celebrites including Joan of Arc, Nostradamus (Michel de Notre Dame), and even Pope John XXIII. They also attracted some of the greates royal and aristotic families in Europe for generation after generation. These families include the d'Anjous, the Hapsburgs, the Sinclairs, and the Montgomeries. The reported aim of the Priory of Sion is to protect the descendants of the old Merovingian dynasty of kings in what is now present-day France (some also believe that the descendants of the Merovingian Kings are also the descendants of Jesus's kids). Now I have some questions. 1) Do they exist? 2) Do they have a great secret? 3) Who do you think they are? 4) Does anyone know anything about them?

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06-18-2004, 02:22 PM	#2
penumbra Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,938	By chance did you just finish reading "Holy Blood, Holy Grail"?

06-18-2004, 02:56 PM	#4
Garnet Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 6,610	I was reading Holy Blood, Holy Grail last night. I bought the book because I'd read the DaVinci Code and enjoyed it. However, the HBHG now lies in pieces in my trash can. Why? Because I got to the part of the book that in essence states that part of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was based on an earlier Priory document. At that point, I couldn't even enjoy the book as fiction. Bah! Will those horrendous forgeries ever go away?

06-18-2004, 03:00 PM	#5
penumbra Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 1,938	Toto mentioned "The DaVinci Code". Well, at least that doesn't claim to be non-fiction. I haven't read it though, I'm waiting for someone to "find" the magic links from those claims to the legends of Rennes-le-Chateau and the Chalice Well at Glastonbury. Heck, if I had a better imagination, I'd write it myself.

06-18-2004, 03:22 PM	#6
fallingblood Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mandan, ND Posts: 80	Toto- Actually I did read The da Vinci Code. But thats just what started me one this. I did some research after that, and came up with some more stuff. I didn't know if it was true or not though. So that's pretty much the reason I began this thread, was to see if someone could give me more information, or show that they were fake.

06-18-2004, 06:53 PM	#7
MysteryProf Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 301	fallingblood: Since you've just read Da Vinci Code, I recommend that you next read "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. I find his (albeit still fictional) view of secret societies to be far more accurate. Has anyone else read that book? If so, I'm sure you get my meaning. If not, read it -- you'll laugh your ass off when you get to the end. Actually, from what I can tell, all of those templar/priory/mason/rosicrucian groups arose pretty late in the game. I wouldn't give them much credit. You can probably still find tons of lit on them at your local bookstore, though -- that stuff is everywhere right now!

06-18-2004, 11:15 PM	#8
mrmoderate Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Baltimore/DC area Posts: 1,306	The Da Vinci Code was enjoyably written, but certainly not very good. Too many convieniences in the plot line. I found myself guessing what was going to happen pages before it happened. The story is based strictly on gnostic writings.

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