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Toto · 03-23-2010, 12:25 PM

Just in time for Easter, the LA Times has published an article that has to be serious (since it's not April 1 yet) from The International Journal of Obesity. (IJoO article available only to paying subscribers.)

Last supper helpings have grown

Quote:

Brian Wansink, director of the Cornell University Food and Brand Lab and author of "Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think" (or via: amazon.co.uk) ...and his brother Craig, a biblical scholar at Virginia Wesleyan College, analyzed 52 depictions of the meal the Wansinks call "history's most famous dinner party" painted between the year 1000 and the year 2000.

...

The apostles depicted during the Middle Ages appear to be the ascetics they are said to have been. But by 1498, when Leonardo da Vinci completed his masterpiece, the party was more lavishly fed. Almost a century later, the Mannerist painter Jacobo Tintoretto piled the food on the apostles' plates still higher.

I think this is an error: Jesus and the disciples were never said to have been ascetics. They drank and ate normally, even to the point of gluttony (unlike John the Baptist).

Matt 11:18-19

Quote:

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."'

Also Luke 7:33-4 (so it's in the hypothetical Q.)

In addition, Paul complained about apparent gluttony at communal meals.

It appears that the beginning of the study was the undernourished middle ages, while the renaissance restored a more normal idea of food portions.

Telegraph UK article on the same topic

ApostateAbe · 03-25-2010, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

Just in time for Easter, the LA Times has published an article that has to be serious (since it's not April 1 yet) from The International Journal of Obesity. (IJoO article available only to paying subscribers.)

Last supper helpings have grown

Quote:

Brian Wansink, director of the Cornell University Food and Brand Lab and author of "Mindless Eating: Why We Eat More Than We Think" (or via: amazon.co.uk) ...and his brother Craig, a biblical scholar at Virginia Wesleyan College, analyzed 52 depictions of the meal the Wansinks call "history's most famous dinner party" painted between the year 1000 and the year 2000.

...

The apostles depicted during the Middle Ages appear to be the ascetics they are said to have been. But by 1498, when Leonardo da Vinci completed his masterpiece, the party was more lavishly fed. Almost a century later, the Mannerist painter Jacobo Tintoretto piled the food on the apostles' plates still higher.

I think this is an error: Jesus and the disciples were never said to have been ascetics. They drank and ate normally, even to the point of gluttony (unlike John the Baptist).

Matt 11:18-19

Quote:

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."'

Also Luke 7:33-4 (so it's in the hypothetical Q.)

In addition, Paul complained about apparent gluttony at communal meals.

It appears that the beginning of the study was the undernourished middle ages, while the renaissance restored a more normal idea of food portions.

Telegraph UK article on the same topic

I think that is a good point. I bet he really was a glutton and a drunkard relative to the time.

seyorni · 03-25-2010, 09:43 PM

Jesus hated cilantro, though.
Oh, and figs, of course.

rhutchin · 03-26-2010, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toto

Just in time for Easter, the LA Times has published an article that has to be serious (since it's not April 1 yet) from The International Journal of Obesity. (IJoO article available only to paying subscribers.)...

I think this is an error: Jesus and the disciples were never said to have been ascetics. They drank and ate normally, even to the point of gluttony (unlike John the Baptist).

Matt 11:18-19

Quote:

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners."'

Also Luke 7:33-4 (so it's in the hypothetical Q.)

My suspicion is that the Jews, who did not like Jesus, probably referred to the tax collectors as "gluttons and drunkards" to give them a reputation for living high on the hog at the expense of the people from which they collected taxes. To associate Jesus with them in the same manner was then done to depict Jesus as being as selfish and worldly as them.

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seyorni Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Albuquerque. SW USA Posts: 3,176	Jesus hated cilantro, though. Oh, and figs, of course.

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