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Old 04-25-2008, 08:26 AM   #951
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And I have observed an odd occurence, Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius all claimed that the Jews expected the Messiah at around 70 CE, and may have helped to spark the Jewish War, but strangely, the word "Christus" is in Tacitus, "ChrEstus in Suetonius, and "Christ" in Josephus.
The English word "Christ" is in the Greek text of Josephus???

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And I have observed an odd occurence, Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius all claimed that the Jews expected the Messiah at around 70 CE, and may have helped to spark the Jewish War, but strangely, the word "Christus" is in Tacitus, "ChrEstus in Suetonius, and "Christ" in Josephus.
The English word "Christ" is in the Greek text of Josephus???

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Eusebius might have known!
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The English word "Christ" is in the Greek text of Josephus???

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Eusebius might have known!
But do you?

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But do you?

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What do you think? You know Greek? I know a little English.

"Antiquities of the Jews" 18.3.3
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......He was [the] Christ...
"Church History" 11.7.1
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....He was the Christ...
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What do you think? You know Greek? I know a little English.

"Antiquities of the Jews" 18.3.3

"Church History" 11.7.1
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Is what you have reproduced above the Greek text of either Josephus or Eusebius, yes or no?

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What do you think? You know Greek? I know a little English.

"Antiquities of the Jews" 18.3.3

"Church History" 11.7.1
Is what you have reproduced above the Greek text of either Josephus or Eusebius, yes or no?

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See http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studi...hus/ant-18.htm

See www.newadvent.org/fathers/250101.htm
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Is what you have reproduced above the Greek text of either Josephus or Eusebius, yes or no?

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See http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studi...hus/ant-18.htm

See www.newadvent.org/fathers/250101.htm
Umm, I didn't ask you which English text you were drawing your quotes of Josephus and Eusebius from. I asked whether the text you quoted was exactly what we'd see if we were looking at the Greek text of Jospehus and Eusebius.

So, your answer is "no, it isn't".

Thanks for clarifying.

Now perhaps you'll show me where in the Greek text of Josephus and Eusebius the English word "Christ" appears and demonstrate that this is so by giving us the Greek text itself, not an English translation of it.

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Now perhaps you'll show me where in the Greek text of Josephus and Eusebius the English word "Christ" appears and demonstrate that this is so by giving us the Greek text itself, not an English translation of it.
Given that he apparently doesn't grasp the concepts of translation or transliteration nor the difference between Jewish use of "Messiah" as a title/position and Christian use of "Christ" as a title and name, I suspect you are completely wasting your time asking such questions.
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Umm, I didn't ask you which English text you were drawing your quotes of Josephus and Eusebius from. I asked whether the text you quoted was exactly what we'd see if we were looking at the Greek text of Jospehus and Eusebius.

So, your answer is "no, it isn't".

Thanks for clarifying.
You are reasonning is completely warped and illogical.

I do not know Greek.

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Now perhaps you'll show me where in the Greek text of Josephus and Eusebius the English word "Christ" appears and demonstrate that this is so by giving us the Greek text itself, not an English translation of it.

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Again, total nonsense. You appear not to understand English.

I do not know Greek!
Jesus Christ!
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You are reasonning is completely warped and illogical.
I think you mean to say "your reasoning is completely warped and illogical". Assuming this is true, would you please demonstrate how this is so?

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I do not know Greek.
And yet you make claims about what is to be found in Greek texts. Hmmm.

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Now perhaps you'll show me where in the Greek text of Josephus and Eusebius the English word "Christ" appears and demonstrate that this is so by giving us the Greek text itself, not an English translation of it.

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Again, total nonsense.

What's nonsense? The claim that the English word "Christ" appears in the Greek text of Eusebius and Josephus? Isn't that what I've been getting at?

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You appear not to understand English.

I do not know Greek!
Yes, I heard you the first time.


So .. you were not claiming that the English word "Christ" appears in the Greek text of Eusebius and Josephus and you are now saying that wouldn't be able to know if it did??

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