greyline

Science has shown that restrictions should be placed on women in terms of expressing their full potential?

lpetrich

Yawn. As if everybody else had considered the sexes to be psychologically identical.

I don't think that the two sexes are exactly alike psychologically, but they do strongly resemble each other in important ways. For example, both sexes use the same grammar when they use the languages that they speak -- there's no "men's grammar" and "women's grammar" of natural languages. Do men tend to prefer subject-verb-object sentence order and women subject-object-verb? Or vice versa? Or some other orders?

(God wanting male leadership...)
Where???

Pure literal-mindedness. Imagine female community leaders, female poets and bards, etc.

And why is that supposed to be the case?


(why different roles for the two sexes...)
And what research was that?

Ed

Evidence that in ancient times the ordinary people initiated construction of the pyramids and other major building programs and major works of art?

You obviously didn't ask your history professor.

Fraid so, see above.

Actually in some periods of history they did. And also the ones that did do it voluntarily were compelled by their belief that God wanted them to. Even though if God had not compelled them to they probably would not have done it.

Ed

Trying to convince people God does not exist.

There are clues in all those stories that reveal that the real reasons these young ladies left Christianity had nothing to do with the "lack of evidence".

Ed

Yes, because we never do good things for the right reason.

secular spoon

Hey guys, just thought I'd interrupt. This thread has official sent me crazy, I'm now afraid of plain geometrical shapes.



Strangely enough, for those who're too lazy to read the last 10 pages, that pretty much sums em up.

Ok ed lets say that he didn't ask his history prof. You made the statement, so you must've got the knowledge from somewhere. Care to back it up with some evidence?

Lets pretend that this is a new thread, and theres no vauge post somewhere in the last 12 pages to reference back to with "see above" - could we have some solid evidence that this is the case?

And to get back to something intesting from the debate.. the documentary hypothesis.

I dont pretend to know very much at all about the documentary hypothesis, but I was under the impression that it was very solid. Would you be able to point out the basic "fatal flaws" in it for me? Dont write a thesis or anything, just give me something to research around - a few points would suffice.

-secular spoon

ps. Jack and lpetrich, I'm in awe of you're staying power. :notworthy I woulda given up months ago.

Resistor

Ask your local history professor.

Joking aside, when did anyone say anything about initiating construction? Or that the projects were major? If they were able to build or create artwork, whether or not they initiated the construction or if the projects were major, means that they weren't just trying to survive. And I doubt that the ruling elite constructed buildings themselves.

lpetrich

(do christ-on-a-stick and QueenofSwords really tell "lies about reality"?)
How do they supposedly do that?

How would that be apparent from christ-on-a-stick's Salvation Story?

Or from anything that QueenofSwords has stated? Like her self-intro. When she started some self-directed Bible study, she discovered that "I couldn't believe half the stuff I read; the other half was believable and very, very sad", and started becoming skeptical. And as explained in this reading-the-Bible thread, she refused to practice selective reading. As described in this atheist-testimony thread, she found the eternal damnation of her Muslim friends and the rejection of evolution too much to swallow.

More recently, in this Heaven thread, she has stated:
Ed, does it look like she has any ulterior motives other than dislike of cruelty? Seriously.

And what is the "right" reason? And why does failure to do good things for the reason indicate that one deserves eternal damnation? Yes, being agonizingly tortured forever and ever and ever.

And Ed, don't you think the idea of eternal damnation is a bit on the cruel side?

greyline

Isn't the right reason the anticipation of eternal life? Morally bankrupt though it may be.

Ed

A well trained swordsman would end up disembowelling a well trained swordswoman almost everytime. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Huh? I never said that is what they did. They didn't really have what we would call border patrols. And ALL marauders would be attacked if they were known to exist. I was just saying that if some marauders made it into Israel then unmarried women would be very vulnerable to attack.

Because God would have let most of them live fairly long lives and die of natural causes. God only killed using hebrews those peoples that occupied the Promised Land.