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show_no_mercy · 11-12-2009, 12:54 PM

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This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus

"This is what the Lord says to his christ, to Cyrus."

Why isn't the Hebrew Bible translated like that?

Probably the same reason why people think that Joshua and Jesus are two different names. New Testament translators don't want to confuse their simple-minded congregations.

Clivedurdle · 11-12-2009, 01:14 PM

I am correct that capital letters are much later? - so when did christ become Christ?

Toto · 11-12-2009, 01:18 PM

lower case letters are much later.

Clivedurdle · 11-12-2009, 01:28 PM

Sorry, I meant capitalisation - the use of the first letter as a capital to differentiate a formal name and informal noun - of course German wrecks this in the converse direction!

Toto · 11-12-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

Sorry, I meant capitalisation - the use of the first letter as a capital to differentiate a formal name and informal noun - of course German wrecks this in the converse direction!

Lower_case

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there was no fixed capitalization system until the early eighteenth century (and even then all nouns were capitalized, a system still followed in German but not in English).

Well past the limits of this forum.

Clivedurdle · 11-12-2009, 02:25 PM

No - still missing the point.

How do we tell if the use of a word like Christ in the Bible should be translated Christ or christ?

show_no_mercy · 11-12-2009, 02:38 PM

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No - still missing the point.

How do we tell if the use of a word like Christ in the Bible should be translated Christ or christ?

Inner witness of the holy spirit, of course!

No Robots · 11-12-2009, 08:49 PM

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How do we tell if the use of a word like Christ in the Bible should be translated Christ or christ?

What is the difference between an iron lady and the Iron Lady?

semiopen · 11-13-2009, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

How do we tell if the use of a word like Christ in the Bible should be translated Christ or christ?

What is the difference between an iron lady and the Iron Lady?

This recalls a reference I once made to Isaiah 37:22, where I inadvertently posted a translation with capitals in

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this is the word which Yahweh has spoken concerning him. The virgin daughter of Zion has despised you and ridiculed you. The daughter of Jerusalem has shaken her head at you.

Where, depending on where the translator's head is at, "Virgin Daughter of Zion" and "Daughter of Jerusalem" are often used.

The capitals make this verse creepy, maybe because it suggests the "Virgin of Nuremberg" and/or the

Iron_maiden_(torture)

Clivedurdle · 11-13-2009, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

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Originally Posted by Clivedurdle

How do we tell if the use of a word like Christ in the Bible should be translated Christ or christ?

What is the difference between an iron lady and the Iron Lady?

But with Mrs T there isn't an earlier version as far as I am aware.

The snag with jesus christ is that it means annointed saviour, a very vague idea.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	I am correct that capital letters are much later? - so when did christ become Christ?

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Sorry, I meant capitalisation - the use of the first letter as a capital to differentiate a formal name and informal noun - of course German wrecks this in the converse direction!

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	No - still missing the point. How do we tell if the use of a word like Christ in the Bible should be translated Christ or christ?

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