Steven Avery

And as I pointed out, the pronoun-challenged claim from spin was an English language claim so the Greek would have no bearing on who really read the Josephus translation properly. Only one person touched that issue. Apparently English is too difficult for folks here.

Now if you claim the English translation distorts the Greek meaning that is another issue that you are welcome to share here with all your 'tools necessary'. If you don't claim that then you are simply playing the usual Gibson-games, which don't work as well here as on forums where you can stall and kabosh responses. (Actually they don't play well there either.)

Shalom,
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic

Chris Weimer

:rolling:

Steven Avery

Chris, you are very welcome to take the initiation entrance exam of the Pronoun Challenged Assocation. You will see it above in the thead, or I can repeat it here. I actually think you might be able to read English with reasonable comprehension and seek to be fairly objective on such a matter, irrespective of other issues and the difficulties that arose in our earlier Greek discussion from 1 John and 2 John.

Shalom,
Steven Avery

spin

To sum up this thread, Josephus claimed that he translated the Jewish historical works. Some of his readers encouraged him to do so. I have argued that this suggests that he didn't have those texts available to him in Greek and that necessitated his translating them.

[A PCA version of the above is available on request.]


I (spin) sympathize with praxeus for having discovered that he (praxeus) suffers from Dissociative Pronoun Syndrome (PDS) and I (spin) wish his (praxeus's) group, the "Pronoun Challenged Association" the best of luck in their (PCA's) efforts to deal with the day-to-day struggle of comprehending texts without being able to link pronouns to their (the pronouns') references properly. I (spin)'m sure I (spin) speak for most when I (spin) hope he (praxeus) or they (PCA) can come to grips with the problem and finally move on to bigger and harder things, such as the Cat in the Hat.

In solidarity,


spin

gregor

Let me also hope that prax can spice up his posts. Here are a few suggestions:

1. Don't keep the standard font color - mix up your colors to distract from 'arguments'

2. Don't just keep quoting from known scholarly articles - add some mysterious, unnamed scholars, vague net references, and appeals to 'general knowledge' - or simply deny someone else's presented argument.

3. Stop all of the direct analysis of texts in their original language - use global assertions instead.

4. The continual direct addressing of arguments is getting old - add some ad homs, attacks on moderators, strawmen

5. Don't go it alone - try and get fellow-believers to come to the board

6. Don't keep being objective, it's getting old - When you don't like an argument, try slandering known scholars with purple prose.

7. Try and appear less humble - you've made some great arguments about the age of the earth, radiometric dating, evolution, and the speed of light - flesh those arguments out.

8. Quit presenting such open-minded analyses - it's probable that the KJV was divinely inspired, inerrant, written by eye-witnesses, authored minutes after the events recounted, and was accurately transcribed under the very watchful eye of God himself. Don't be bashful about making such a claim without evidence.

I hope this helps, too.

Amaleq13

Less focus on individuals and more focus on the OP and related evidence, please.

Thanks in advance,


Doug aka Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

Steven Avery

Hi Amaleq, I think you were the only one who actually commented on the Pronoun Challenge !
If so, a kudo, even if I dropped communication and whatever.

Now, does anybody else want to take the

Pronoun Challenge !

jgibson000

Why would or should anyone want to? How is "taking it" going to be in any way helpful in determining what Josephus was saying in JA 1.7?

JG

Steven Avery

1) The translation might actually be accurate, and surely Tules Nesser Sari would be helpful and tell the forum if they looked at the Greek and think that the language translation issue is signficant. Clearly spin made no such claim.

2) Spin's ragging (rather funny, granted) was based on the
Pronoun-Challenge.

Folks may want to know if they have the tools necessary to join the PCA.
Or if spin was really just whistling dixie.

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Shalom,
Steven Avery

jgibson000

Might be?? You are wasting all this bandwidth on an uncertainty?

:huh:

So what? Is the issue what Josephus says in 1.7 or not? Or is it your need to boost your ego by scoring rhetorical points?

Talk about derailing a thread!

If they tell you they don't want to know, will you drop this red herring?

JG