Kosh

That's it? That's your whole rebuttal? Even if you take centuries off the egyptian timeline, it still spans the flood? Please show the evidence that
renders the Egyptian timeline incorrect, and places it all after the Flood.

Jim Larmore

How about showing some evidence that there is Egyptian writings that existed smack in the middle of the time the O.T. said the flood occurred.

Cross Examiner

I mean no disrespect, but I don't know how one could possibly botch accessing a hyperlink. Anyway, here it is again. Let me know how things go. We may need to escalate this to IIDB tech support if things go awry once more. If you manage to find the appropriate post, but are confused regarding the supposed relevance of this post to your question(s), then you will do well to retrace the the conversation to the elusive, endangared post on my thoughts about the Flood, this thread, and the thread-starter.

Regards,
BGic

King Rat

I think we have another problem with the timeline. If, according to the bible the earth was created 6000 years ago, creation would have taken place long after the fossil record shows floods occurring due to the recession of the polar caps. How could I concede that a historical global flood due to the melting of the polar caps even occurred if it was before your god even created the universe?

Help me out here, BGIC.

Cross Examiner

King Rat,

Help you out? Alright. I don't know how a group of literates such as yourselves could possibly not be understanding this (repeatedly), but I'll spell it all out, again, using even smaller words this time around.

I came here because Spenser, in another thread, haphazardly framed a Biblical dilemma (re: the Flood) for Christianity that does not necessarily exist. Spenser started this thread and then directed me to it. Citing, in this thread, Spenser's own words from a tangential post of his from another thread and citing some of his words from this thread as well, I asked a few questions/challenged a few assumptions. He declined to answer but did post some general Flood-related links. I reciprocated. He then proceeded to say, in effect, that he did not care to discuss these things but that others would, to which I said I also did not particularly care to discuss the Flood and that I would drop it all ... for reasons spelled out here. Now, for some reason, others like Kosh, Jim Larmore and yourself think I'm here to debate the Flood, which, as mentioned, I don't particularly care about. If you really, really, really want someone to debate the Flood with you, and you don't want to go to CARM or theologyonline yourselves (or any one of the other million-and-one Christian forums) to take up the issue, I will assume the young-earth creationist stance (though I am not necessarily a YEC myself), for the sake of argument, and defend it as I am enabled. Let me know if this is really what you want for your Christmas present. You only get one this year because of the economy.

Regards,
BGic

King Rat

That would be a pretty lame xmas present. I'll pass.

I must have missed the post that forced you into defending the flood.

I'll search for it.

Spenser

Not to butt back in but Billy I thought it was quite clear that I wasn't 'baiting' you. I figured it was apparent when I said:

and I apologize if that was some how misleading. I started a thread here because I thought some one here would be more than willing to give you the answers to the questions in which you asked. You seem to want to avoid every one else here and only debate me so fine.

Here is an interesting find of Egyptian writing which dates back 5500 years. There are various flood dates but as posted above I see this one, 2304 BC, probably the most. Lets do some simple math:

2003 - 5500 = -3497 or 3497 BC.

Now even if we vary flood dates a little this is 1193 years prior to the estimated date of the flood. This stone is Egyptian writing. I know of no YECer that would claim the whole of Egyptian civilization came prior to the flood and the impossibility of Egyptian writing existing both before and after the flood goes with stating (though I just did). If you wish to place the flood before this then it is you that has a lot of explaining to do. Also, it is obviously impossible to provide written evidence from Egyptian culture of a world wide flood because it would have been destroyed.

And now for some more snips (please notice none of them will be from an atheistic or theistic website)

http://ancienthistory.about.com/libr..._iaq_egypt.htm

http://www.ehistory.com/ancient/egypt/rulers.cfm

http://logos.uoregon.edu/explore/orthography/egypt.html

http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~ancient/chron.htm

http://web.raex.com/~obsidian/egypt.html

http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/chronology/

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conven...ian_chronology

http://www.egyptian-chronology.netfirms.com/

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/rhatch...hronolgoy.html

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi20.htm

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...ian-chronology

and this list goes on and on. The sheer volume of evidence clearly shows that Egypt existed at the time of supposed flood. Now for the Chinese:

http://www.chinapage.com/dyna1.html

http://www.seaantique.com/chin.htm

http://campus.northpark.edu/history/...ina/China.html

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intr...oric/index.htm

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguid...hina_history-i

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...hinese_history

The only teachings that dare say that these entire cultures, civilization, were wrong about when they occurred (despite their recorded history) is that of creationists who merely assume that which they wish to prove. Now IF the flood happened prior to these recorded histories then that would require some explaining on your part and still you'd be left with the lack of geological evidence, massive spread and diversity of peoples as well as animals (not to mentions some animals isolation) and the fact that the implications of the flood defy physics. To still believe in a flood cause one book tells you to is preposterous. I am more than happy to gaze upon evidence in support of such a flood however NONE has ever held up to scientific scrutiny. Now, seeing as how you got more than enough evidence for the claims I was making; by all means take on the rest of the people here as well...

Jim Larmore

Either my computer is not going to these hyper-links correctly or I'm failing to see evidence of egyptian writings existing "smack in the middle" of the O.T. time given for the Flood.

Spenser

Jim, the hieroglyphs in the oldest pyramids predate said flood. The very first link I posted was writing that is 5500 years old. How much more do you need??? :banghead:

Jim Larmore

Ok, I'm reading, sorry!!