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nogods4me · 09-15-2005, 09:07 AM

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Those white people throwing rocks and cops beating up civil rights marchers helped common Americans see the brutality of racism.It galvanized American and whorl What I am saying is that the public image of atheists in the minds of common Americans must change. I am sure those people attacking civil rights marchers still feel hatred for black people but it underground or muted. Because it not tolerated by society.
The Same thing with same sex marriage activists pushed too soon and as a result peoples overacted and voted against same sex marriage proposals and reelcted George Bush. People werent ready for it. I think those unnessary lawsuits will do more harm than good. I am concerned that it will energize the right wingers in this country.

OK, so we need some atheists to be lynched or beaten to show the ugliness of religious prejudice then. Who wants to volunteer? Anybody? Hellooo, anybody?

Philosoft · 09-15-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Shake

Further, not only is uG a "johnny come lately", I'm pretty sure that if Rev Francis Bellamy had thought it appropriate to mention God, he would have done so when he authored the PoA!

For sure. Bellamy was a socialist; he used the flag as a symbol for a strong federal government to oppose the ligering resentment of the Civil War.

MrDarwin · 09-15-2005, 09:37 AM

All Congress has to do is take the two words "under God"--a relatively recent addition--out of the Pledge of Allegiance. The fact that there is so much resistance to this idea (or rather, that nobody even proposes it at all) speaks volumes about the power of religion in this country and the right's real intent with regard to the Pledge.

Worldtraveller · 09-15-2005, 10:01 AM

Exactly, MrDarwin. I said this when the first Newdow case was decied, adn I'll say it again.

The reaction from the religious in this country gives lie to the repeated assertion that it is just ceremonial deism, and that it isn't constitutional. Yet that bare bones obvious fact seems to elude 90% of the people looking at this case.

If the words were removed from the official version, religionists would still be free to insert them when they say the pledge, but now it wouldn't have the governement coercion involved. Yet, we, the ones who want it out, are supposed to have to resist the government or just ignore it.

No hypocrisy there at all, nu huh....nothing to see here. :banghead:

Cheers,
Lane

Kassiana · 09-15-2005, 10:32 AM

::raises hand:: I'm a theist, and I hate the Pledge.

(Hi, theist!)

Unfortunately, I've been threatened with violence before by a fellow Pagan for simply saying I wouldn't say the Pledge at all. So I try to avoid all situations which would necessitate my saying it.

::sits down, pours coffee::

dancer_rnb · 09-15-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kassiana

::raises hand:: I'm a theist, and I hate the Pledge.

(Hi, theist!)

Unfortunately, I've been threatened with violence before by a fellow Pagan for simply saying I wouldn't say the Pledge at all. So I try to avoid all situations which would necessitate my saying it.

::sits down, pours coffee::

But of course it is not a matter of religious freedom/freedom of conscience........ :huh:

The Jehovah's Witnesses had a horrible time between the Supreme Court's rejection of their suit and the the SCs later reversal of its former
decision.

CowboyHeretic · 09-15-2005, 11:09 AM

The ruling by this hippie san francisco california yah-who of a so called judge won't stand. First ruling by USSC Chief Justice John Roberts - reverse this decision.

Kassiana · 09-15-2005, 11:18 AM

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But of course it is not a matter of religious freedom/freedom of conscience

Too bad. It should be. Then maybe people would be more rational about it.

Worldtraveller · 09-15-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CowboyHeretic

The ruling by this hippie san francisco california yah-who of a so called judge won't stand. First ruling by USSC Chief Justice John Roberts - reverse this decision.

I'm not a lawyer, but I know enough about law to know that the judge really didn't have a choice in the matter.

Read the decision, it's only 30 pages, before spouting off that of which you know little.

Cheers,
Lane

dancer_rnb · 09-15-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CowboyHeretic

The ruling by this hippie san francisco california yah-who of a so called judge won't stand. First ruling by USSC Chief Justice John Roberts - reverse this decision.

Maybe the judge was a Mennonite instead of a hippie yahoo. :angel:

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09-15-2005, 09:37 AM	#63
MrDarwin Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 4,140	All Congress has to do is take the two words "under God"--a relatively recent addition--out of the Pledge of Allegiance. The fact that there is so much resistance to this idea (or rather, that nobody even proposes it at all) speaks volumes about the power of religion in this country and the right's real intent with regard to the Pledge.

09-15-2005, 10:01 AM	#64
Worldtraveller Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,834	Exactly, MrDarwin. I said this when the first Newdow case was decied, adn I'll say it again. The reaction from the religious in this country gives lie to the repeated assertion that it is just ceremonial deism, and that it isn't constitutional. Yet that bare bones obvious fact seems to elude 90% of the people looking at this case. If the words were removed from the official version, religionists would still be free to insert them when they say the pledge, but now it wouldn't have the governement coercion involved. Yet, we, the ones who want it out, are supposed to have to resist the government or just ignore it. No hypocrisy there at all, nu huh....nothing to see here. :banghead: Cheers, Lane

09-15-2005, 10:32 AM	#65
Kassiana Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,046	::raises hand:: I'm a theist, and I hate the Pledge. (Hi, theist!) Unfortunately, I've been threatened with violence before by a fellow Pagan for simply saying I wouldn't say the Pledge at all. So I try to avoid all situations which would necessitate my saying it. ::sits down, pours coffee::

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