Originally Posted by aa5874

According to gMark, Jesus' last words on the cross were ,"My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" gMatthew repeated the very same last words.

However in gLuke, Jesus appears to be in a more upbeat mood even on the cross, he seems to be in conference with his crucifiers and maintained dialogue with those crucified with him when he said, "Father forgive them; for they know not what they do," and addressing one of the thieves, "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise".
And on the cross, his last words were, according to gLuke, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit."

Now, gJohn recorded a totally different version of Jesus' last words on the cross. Jesus spoke to his mother and said, "Woman, behold thy son"and to a disciple, "Behold, thy mother." And after saying, "I thirst" and his final words were, It is finished."

If Jesus was just a natural human being, and was actually crucified, I would like to believe he would have said or screamed, at the top of his lungs, " Somebody help me, please stop, no, wt...wt...expletive....expletive, oh sh....., aaahhhh" for hours until he was dead.

What do you think Jesus would have said or screamed when he was on the cross, if he was actually crucified.

Originally Posted by BlackWodin

All the skeptics say is simply one assumption piled on to of another assumption.

Originally Posted by BlackWodin

Would you please give me the quotes that says Matthew said or

that Mark said or

that Luke said or

that John said

that the words that one gave were the last words?

If you cannot, then it is merely YOU saying that each was saying that.

In fact, you are in such haste to suppose the Bible is wrong that you are exposed as being obviously wrong. Tis YOU with the problem and not the Bible. You said that Matthew gave the words of v.46 as His last words. No, those are just the last words REPORTED BY MATTHEW. In v.50, it says that Jesus cried out with a loud voice. Hm. Wonder what He said then? Matthew doesn't say, but we know that Matthew was NOT saying in v.46 that those were His last words. YOU were saying it.

What we have here is another assertion by skeptics.

All the skeptics say is simply one assumption piled on to of another assumption.

:banghead: :banghead:

Originally Posted by aa5874

What do you think Jesus would have said or screamed when he was on the cross, if he was actually crucified.

Originally Posted by Solitary Man

As opposed to what, exactly? A cry is just that. Matthew didn't say Jesus said anything in that cry. You're assuming that he must have said something.

It'd be far better to be a skeptic and accept on evidence than to uncritically accept everything.

Originally Posted by aa5874

Well, what were the last words of Jesus, according to the Gospels? And actually, Jesus could have cried out with a loud voice without saying a word, it is called "sreamining in agony"

Originally Posted by BlackWodin

people cry out words. This is quite common.

Originally Posted by BlackWodin

So your assertion, your assertion, almost 2000 years after the fact is that He wasn't crucified. Never mind the stream of Christianity that can be traced backwards to Jerusalem and the first century. You just make the bald assertion that He wasn't even crucified.

What garbage!

Tacitus, Roman historian, born about 55AD and wrote this in The Annals of Imperial Rome concerning the fire in Rome:

Nero fabricated scapegoats - and punished with every refinement the notoriously depraved Christians (as they were popularly called). Their originator, Christ, had been executed in Tiberius' reign by the governor of Judaea, Pontius Pilate."

You're basing your life upon wild assertions that don't even hold one smidgeon of believability? I value my life more than THAT.