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stephan huller · 03-10-2012, 05:51 PM

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For the Montanists had their beginning about the nineteenth year of Hadrian's successor Antoninus Pius, while Marcion, Tatian, and the Encratites who succeeded him, began in Hadrian's time and after Hadrian. [Panarion 28]

This evidence would strongly support - what was certainly Tatian's contention - that he only received his point of view from his master Justin.

tanya · 03-11-2012, 12:35 PM

:huh:

hopeless disconnect.

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Scholar ABC has written that M, N, and O, began working while XYZ was alive.

Ergo, N must have been the apprentice of IJK.

:huh:

stephan huller · 03-11-2012, 02:27 PM

But the same ideas are present in Clement's reference to Marcion and the heretics in the Stromata.

stephan huller · 03-11-2012, 02:32 PM

And it is only with kooky members of this forum that the whole idea of a second century date for the heretics is 'controversial.' The point isn't to defend a second century dating but to have reasonable people debate over whether the heretics were established 117 - 138 CE or 138 - 161 CE. The statement in Tertullian that Marcion is to be dated to the latter period is - I believe - taken out of context.

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03-11-2012, 02:27 PM	#3
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	But the same ideas are present in Clement's reference to Marcion and the heretics in the Stromata.

03-11-2012, 02:32 PM	#4
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	And it is only with kooky members of this forum that the whole idea of a second century date for the heretics is 'controversial.' The point isn't to defend a second century dating but to have reasonable people debate over whether the heretics were established 117 - 138 CE or 138 - 161 CE. The statement in Tertullian that Marcion is to be dated to the latter period is - I believe - taken out of context.

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