Doug Shaver

There is no argument for KJV superiority that does not depend on a presumption that evangelical dogma is inerrant.

Clouseau

All Christians know that the KJV puts people off Christianity. That's why others insist on using it.

Clouseau

Evangelicals never use the KJV- unless they are about 90 years old. The KJV is the pseuds version.

Mr. Logic

Is the debate over? I am assuming with so many posting that it is.
I happen to be a very careful Student/Teacher of Scripture and I can tell you that People who insist that there are no erros in "The Bible" aren't helping anyone understand scripture. They are defending a system not what is truly written. When Paul says, at times, that he is only giving his opinion, can it be that he is really speaking the Word of God? I take what is written as written. "Bible Believers" don't! The Scriptures are Plural, and there a books in the O.T. that talk of writings by Prophets that we no longer have.

The irony is that the contradictions in scripture are some of the best proofs that no one just made them up later on.
If you want to read books that don't contradict try Snow White, or Cinderella!

If truly Written by the actual Apostles, etc. then we should still expect some misunderstandings and error, but not a lot of it, and that is exactly what happens.
Example: Skeptics point at the Pope being wrong about the Earth not being the center of the Universe, etc. O.K. well that sure proves the Scriptures wrong doesn't it? <s>
It no doubt proves that the Pope isn't infallible which matches scripture and Paul rebuking the so called First Pope, Peter in Gal.2.

Christianity has had almost 2,000 years to tamper with the orig. message and did they ever. I see nothing is scripture that says that we have to believe a completed canon of books, or that belief in Christians is needed!
Jesus did not teach a World Religion but taught against the things of this World, pointing out that they are corrupt, and Ego is the center of those views. Peter didn't get that when he cut off the Soldier's ear!
I was an Agnostic until 38 years old when I started to spend hours a day doing my own research. That is when I realized how unmoveable many Zealous Christians were. Thousands of denominations prove that claiming to believe what is written is just that, a claim! They don't accept 1 Cor. 1:10
but instead listen to "Christianity" and what everybody says or does in that system. If Billy Graham calls himself a Baptist then that settles it to them!
Hope that this helps!

Doug Shaver

You and I must circulate in different evangelical circles.

A majority of the ones I've met do not accept the KJV-only dogma. But my comment was only about the ones who do, and I have met several of them in my time, from all age brackets.

Dargo

Here's a website that lists a thousand churches which accept the King Jimmy version as the only valid English Bible translation. There are some other criteria to make the list which would excude some KJV only churches.


http://www.biblebelievers.com/churches/

DISSIDENT AGGRESSOR

No, Mr. Logic. This thread isn't the debate btw, this thread is the Peanut Gallery for the formal debate. Read the first post of this thread and click on the blue letters [if you're colorblind disregard...] FORMAL DEBATE, that'll take you to the actual thread of the debate. The first thread also tells how many rounds this will be.

No, but it more or less was over before it got started .

I find that all very interesting, Mr. Logic. Stick around because after the Formal Debate both notapadawan & Bible John will be allowed to post in this thread. You can bring up your points to them personally, they can't post here till they are done debating, but I believe they can still read the posts in this thread, so you might want to make your posts stand out from the crowd, sometimes post get overlooked otherwise

Clouseau

What is that supposed to indicate?

Clouseau

Let me put you in the picture, as you obviously don't have the first clue what you are talking about. Evangelicals use Greek and Hebrew, always have, always will, and trust nothing else. Anyone who doesn't is not an evangelical.

darstec

Oh great. another no True Scotsman argument.

For your enlightenment, of those on TV who identify themselves as Evangelical, and those ministers and members of churches that identify themselves as Evangelical, not one, and I mean not one can read the manuscripts in either Hebrew or Greek. Their only claim to fame is that they have memorized pet phrases, usually in English, and primary from the KJV.

Are you one?