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View Poll Results: Check off everything you would need to see to say a guy was a "Historical Jesus."
God 1 2.63%
Resurrection 3 7.89%
Healed miraculously and drove out real demons 3 7.89%
Was a conventional (non-supernatural) faith healer and exorcist, but did not do miracles 13 34.21%
Performed nature miracles such as walking on water 3 7.89%
Was born of a virgin 2 5.26%
Said all or most of what is attributed to him in the Gospels 4 10.53%
Said at least some of what is attributed to him in the Gospels 21 55.26%
Believed himself to be God 2 5.26%
Believed himself to be the Messiah 5 13.16%
Was believed by his followers to be God 1 2.63%
Was believed by his followers to be the Messiah 16 42.11%
Was involved in some kind of attack on the Temple 9 23.68%
Was crucified 27 71.05%
Was from Nazareth 8 21.05%
Was from Galilee 12 31.58%
Had 12 disciples 3 7.89%
Had some disciples, not necessarily 12 25 65.79%
Raised the dead 2 5.26%
Was believed by his disciples to still be alive somehow after the crucifixion. 17 44.74%
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:51 AM   #251
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The historicists have made a claim - the NT gospel figure of Jesus is a historical figure.
This is not the claim.

Do you have any examples of factual errors committed by Ehrman in the book?
I've not read Ehrman's book - and have no intention of wasting my money, and my time, in reading it.....

The claim on the Huffington Post:
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Bart Ehrman: Whether we like it or not, Jesus certainly existed
And just to make it clear - there is no other Jesus except the one written about within the pages of the NT gospel story. Whatever variation of that Jesus is cherry-picked from that story - it is a Jesus from the pages of the NT gospel story. There is no other Jesus that is relevant to Christianity.
What makes 'relevance to Christianity' the criterion? Maybe you only want to discuss issues relevant to Christianity, but that's not a reason why other people shouldn't discuss other things.
:huh:
You included in your post the sentence: 'There is no other Jesus that is relevant to Christianity. I am assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you had some reason for including that sentence in your post and not just throwing it in at random. But I can't see what the reason was. So I'm looking for the explanation.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:49 AM   #252
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The historicists have made a claim - the NT gospel figure of Jesus is a historical figure.
This is not the claim.

Do you have any examples of factual errors committed by Ehrman in the book?
I've not read Ehrman's book - and have no intention of wasting my money, and my time, in reading it.....

The claim on the Huffington Post:
Quote:
Bart Ehrman: Whether we like it or not, Jesus certainly existed
And just to make it clear - there is no other Jesus except the one written about within the pages of the NT gospel story. Whatever variation of that Jesus is cherry-picked from that story - it is a Jesus from the pages of the NT gospel story. There is no other Jesus that is relevant to Christianity.
What makes 'relevance to Christianity' the criterion? Maybe you only want to discuss issues relevant to Christianity, but that's not a reason why other people shouldn't discuss other things.
:huh:
You included in your post the sentence: 'There is no other Jesus that is relevant to Christianity. I am assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you had some reason for including that sentence in your post and not just throwing it in at random. But I can't see what the reason was. So I'm looking for the explanation.
Why would a Jesus unconnected with the gospel JC story be relevant to Christianity?

If you think any 'Jesus' will do for Christianity - fine. I would disagree.
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Old 04-05-2012, 04:32 AM   #253
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The historicists have made a claim - the NT gospel figure of Jesus is a historical figure.
This is not the claim.

Do you have any examples of factual errors committed by Ehrman in the book?
I've not read Ehrman's book - and have no intention of wasting my money, and my time, in reading it.....

The claim on the Huffington Post:
Quote:
Bart Ehrman: Whether we like it or not, Jesus certainly existed
And just to make it clear - there is no other Jesus except the one written about within the pages of the NT gospel story. Whatever variation of that Jesus is cherry-picked from that story - it is a Jesus from the pages of the NT gospel story. There is no other Jesus that is relevant to Christianity.
What makes 'relevance to Christianity' the criterion? Maybe you only want to discuss issues relevant to Christianity, but that's not a reason why other people shouldn't discuss other things.
:huh:
You included in your post the sentence: 'There is no other Jesus that is relevant to Christianity. I am assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you had some reason for including that sentence in your post and not just throwing it in at random. But I can't see what the reason was. So I'm looking for the explanation.
Why would a Jesus unconnected with the gospel JC story be relevant to Christianity?

If you think any 'Jesus' will do for Christianity - fine. I would disagree.
I wasn't saying anything about whether the sentence was true or not. I was trying to find out why you included it in your post. 'Because it's true' could never be a sufficient explanation, because no post could possibly be intended to be a compendium of every true statement.
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Where is the evidence that stories of Jesus the dying and resurrected Jewish messiah were circulating before roughly the second half of the first century?

Any evidence at all? Or is this just uneducated guesswork?

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There are lots of early sects and writings by them or about that support that view.

Several people have outlined that view: Macdonald, Patrizia(sp)
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There are lots of early sects and writings by them or about that support that view.

Several people have outlined that view: Macdonald, Patrizia(sp)
That is not a sufficiently precise reference for anybody to find the information you're referring to.
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