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Solitary Man · 12-08-2007, 01:35 PM

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So how can Tyre both be a "place to spread nets upon" and be buried in the sea? You cannot spread nets on an island that is buried under the sea.

Of course you can, sugarhitman! Go fishing over it with nets after it has sunk into the sea!

The amusing bit to me here is that if Tyre had, in fact, sunk beneath the sea, apologists would use this explanation shamelessly to claim that both prophesies had been fulfilled.

It would be a fun exercise to list "unfulfilled prophesies" from the bible and list the various factors that could make each "come true."

d

Ditto. I think we've hit the "denying the obvious" stage here. Sugarhitman's statement is a perfect example of "cognitive dissonance".

makerowner · 12-08-2007, 02:05 PM

Sugarhitman, why do you post here? Do you seriously think that you're going to convert anyone?

Sheshonq · 12-08-2007, 10:20 PM

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God said nothing about Tyre being completely destroyed by Babylon.

But that is exactly what Ezekiel says.

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In other words Tyre would be transformed from the Queen of Trade to a place of fishing.

It has been both a trading center and a fishing center for its entire history.

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So how can Babylon or any other nation perform this feat? They cant,

Wrong.
Ezekiel makes it clear that God's instrument of destruction to bring all this about was Nebuchadnezzar. It just never happened that way, that's all.

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Signs that these things are approaching is:

Nonsense.

sugarhitman · 12-08-2007, 10:45 PM

"Modern Tyre, a TOWN of some 6000 inhabitants, lies on the northern side of the peninsula, *while the ancient Phonecian city was situated on an island*....the ancient city had two harbors, the Sidonian to the north, and the egyptian to the south. The former is now choked with sand, and the latter has entirely dissapeared....This legend seems to imply that the island city of Tyre was settled from the mainland. The accounts of Old Tyre vary so widely that it is uncertain whether one or more places are meant, or whether sites are reffered to which belong to different periods....Ancient Tyre...ceased to be an island city....(after Alex seige)." Conclusion: Modern Tyre is not a rebuilt Phonecian city its rubble is no where to be found. The Phonecian kingdom is no more.

Biff the unclean · 12-08-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by squiz

You can see a good aerial view of Tyre here:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...&t=h&z=15&om=1

I suppose it all depends on how you interpret "you shall be built no more".

Gee I can’t see the “mainland a place for fishing which to this day has not been rebuilt” with all those office buildings and apartment houses in the way. Is that water park in the lower right where it hasn’t been rebuilt?

Biff the unclean · 12-08-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

"Modern Tyre, a TOWN of some 6000 inhabitants, lies on the northern side of the peninsula, *while the ancient Phonecian city was situated on an island*....the ancient city had two harbors, the Sidonian to the north, and the egyptian to the south. The former is now choked with sand, and the latter has entirely dissapeared....This legend seems to imply that the island city of Tyre was settled from the mainland. The accounts of Old Tyre vary so widely that it is uncertain whether one or more places are meant, or whether sites are reffered to which belong to different periods....Ancient Tyre...ceased to be an island city....(after Alex seige)." Conclusion: Modern Tyre is not a rebuilt Phonecian city its rubble is no where to be found. The Phonecian kingdom is no more.

And oddly enough in the google satellite photo you can see the island, and the landfill making it a peninsula and the settled parts on the mainland extending both north and south. And if you look a the town of Tyre’s website they are quite proud of all the archeology.

sugarhitman · 12-08-2007, 11:00 PM

History often repeats itself....Ages often end and begin with similier events that happened in previous ages.....but even this too has a final end as well as a final beginning.

Biff the unclean · 12-08-2007, 11:05 PM

And what does that even mean? Is that you admitting you and your silly prophecies are wrong?

sugarhitman · 12-08-2007, 11:07 PM

God said that Tyre would become desolate when he brings the sea over it. But while it is a fishing city town village whatever, people would still inhabit the land of Ancient Tyre. But the Phonecians are gone...as well as The Queen of the Seas...Ancient Tyre including its rubble is long long gone.

Biff the unclean · 12-08-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarhitman

God said that Tyre would become desolate when he brings the sea over it. But while it is a fishing city town village whatever, people would still inhabit the land of Ancient Tyre. But the Phonecians are gone...as well as The Queen of the Seas...Ancient Tyre including its rubble is long long gone.

Nope, your are dead wrong. The descendents of the Phoenicians are still there. You can zoom in on that satellite photo and see their cars and buses. And if you look at the link to their chamber of commerce website you will see the archeological site of ancient Tyre with walls still standing.
It isn’t a fishing village, you can see the downtown with it’s steel and glass office buildings in the photo.

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12-08-2007, 02:05 PM	#32
makerowner Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,962	Sugarhitman, why do you post here? Do you seriously think that you're going to convert anyone?

12-08-2007, 10:45 PM	#34
sugarhitman Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: georgia Posts: 2,726	"Modern Tyre, a TOWN of some 6000 inhabitants, lies on the northern side of the peninsula, while the ancient Phonecian city was situated on an island....the ancient city had two harbors, the Sidonian to the north, and the egyptian to the south. The former is now choked with sand, and the latter has entirely dissapeared....This legend seems to imply that the island city of Tyre was settled from the mainland. The accounts of Old Tyre vary so widely that it is uncertain whether one or more places are meant, or whether sites are reffered to which belong to different periods....Ancient Tyre...ceased to be an island city....(after Alex seige)." Conclusion: Modern Tyre is not a rebuilt Phonecian city its rubble is no where to be found. The Phonecian kingdom is no more.

12-08-2007, 11:00 PM	#37
sugarhitman Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: georgia Posts: 2,726	History often repeats itself....Ages often end and begin with similier events that happened in previous ages.....but even this too has a final end as well as a final beginning.

12-08-2007, 11:05 PM	#38
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	And what does that even mean? Is that you admitting you and your silly prophecies are wrong?

12-08-2007, 11:07 PM	#39
sugarhitman Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: georgia Posts: 2,726	God said that Tyre would become desolate when he brings the sea over it. But while it is a fishing city town village whatever, people would still inhabit the land of Ancient Tyre. But the Phonecians are gone...as well as The Queen of the Seas...Ancient Tyre including its rubble is long long gone.

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