JoeWallack

JW:
I have been carefully observing II for a while now and Noted that the best way to get attention here, other than invoking the name of that guy from the Christian Bible whose name escapes me at the moment but I think starts with a "J" or "Y", is to Whine. I'm in the Process of Determining what I consider to be Errors in the Genealogies and I thought it might be a good idea for me to try and define "Error" here sometime before I finish determing Errors. Everybody is welcome to critique except for Harvey Dubish. Enjoy!:

Time to look at the Definition of Error (which will be a continuing issue for ErrancyWiki):

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Error

"Main Entry: er·ror Pronunciation: 'er-&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English errour, from Middle French, from Latin error, from errare 1 a : an act or condition of ignorant or imprudent deviation from a code of behavior b : an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy c : an act that through ignorance, deficiency, or accident departs from or fails to achieve what should be done: as (1) : a defensive misplay other than a wild pitch or passed ball made by a baseball player when normal play would have resulted in an out or prevented an advance by a base runner (2) : the failure of a player (as in tennis) to make a successful return of a ball during play d : a mistake in the proceedings of a court of record in matters of law or of fact 2 a : the quality or state of erring b Christian Science : illusion about the nature of reality that is the cause of human suffering : the contradiction of truth c : an instance of false belief 3 : something produced by mistake; especially : a postage stamp exhibiting a consistent flaw (as a wrong color) in its manufacture 4 a : the difference between an observed or calculated value and a true value; specifically : variation in measurements, calculations, or observations of a quantity due to mistakes or to uncontrollable factors b : the amount of deviation from a standard or specification 5 : a deficiency or imperfection in structure or function <an error of metabolism> - er·ror·less /'er-&r-l&s/ adjective synonyms ERROR, MISTAKE, BLUNDER, SLIP, LAPSE mean a departure from what is true, right, or proper. ERROR suggests the existence of a standard or guide and a straying from the right course through failure to make effective use of this <procedural errors>. MISTAKE implies misconception or inadvertence and usually expresses less criticism than error <dialed the wrong number by mistake>. BLUNDER regularly imputes stupidity or ignorance as a cause and connotes some degree of blame <diplomatic blunders>. SLIP stresses inadvertence or accident and applies especially to trivial but embarrassing mistakes <a slip of the tongue>. LAPSE stresses forgetfulness, weakness, or inattention as a cause <a lapse in judgment>."


JW: In my opinion, the Key definition above is:

"an act involving an unintentional deviation from truth or accuracy"

I see two necessary related Measurements:

1) Unintentional vs. Intentional

2) Amount of Deviation.

For purposes of My Definition of Error, regarding 1) -

A) If Unintentional is Identified than there could be Error depending on the Measurement of 2). If Intentional is Identified than there could still be Error if the Presentation is Misleading AND the Measurement of 2) is as explained following. In other words, if the Presentation is a Lie, Intentional Deviation, than there could be Error.

For purposes of My Definition of Error, regarding 2) -

B) Error will only be Identified if the Amount of Deviation from Accuracy is Significant.

I'll be using these Standards for Determination of Error throughout ErrancyWiki but let's apply them now to the Genealogies:

1) The first Step is determining if any Deviation from Accuracy in the Genealogies is Intentional or Unintentional.

In order to determine Intent we first have to determine The Who. Who's Intent. I see at least Three (evidence of (the) trinity?) possible Who's to use here:

1) The Original Authors.

2) The Selectors of the Canon.

3) The Manufacturor's of Modern English Christian Bibles.

1) Looking at the Original Authors we know the Least about this group so it would be the one most difficult to Prove had Unintentional Deviation. Being a Naturalist I would also Assume that this Group generally knew that at least some of what they wrote was not History which is more evidence for Intentional Deviation. So I Generally agree with my General Detractors here that it is Generally more difficult to Prove Error in the Originals.

2) When we move to The Selectors of the Canon though we have much more Evidence as to Intent. We can see in the Early Church writings that Generally Selections were made based on a Criteria of what was thought to be Historical and Accurate and Intentional and that these Possible Selectors, or at least holders of Likely the same Attitude as The Selectors, Generally Believed that what they Selected was Historical and Accurate and Intentional. This would be the Easiest Group to determine Intent for.

3) Looking at The Manufacturor's of Modern English Christian Bibles, we know the most about this Group. The Intent of this Group though would be the most Divided of the trinity of Groups. As you go Conservative the belief of Intentional strengthens. As you go Liberal it weakens.

The Group I use to determine Error is 3). I define the Christian Bible as:

The majority modern English translation.

Specifically now, in order to determine possible Genealogy Errors based on this Group I have to determine Intentional vs. Unintentional. Obviously, Modern Manufacturor's of English Christian Bibles would have Mixed Intents. I think though for this Group, there is at least SOME belief of Historical and Accurate and Intentional, and therefore potential Unintentional Deviation from Accuracy, because:

1) Some modern Manufacturor's still believe that the Genealogies are completely accurate and Literal, even though the Trend is going the other way. So there is a Significant amount of Unintentional here.

2) Most Modern English Christian Bibles are primarily based on what Group 2, The Selectors, decided and Edited as Canon, and Group 2 has the strongest Unintentional Belief as I'll demonstrate subsequently with Quotes.

These then are my Initial Standards for purposes of determining Error in the Genealogies. Again, if someone determines Intent based on the Original Authors they may very well not determine error in the Genealogies where I have.

Let's switch back now to a General problem for Believers in trying to defend against Errors in the Genealogies:

1) Believers believe that there was a reliable chain of witnesses from the Original authors to the Selectors of Canon.

2) Some defenses against Errors in the Genealogies have to rely largely on Intentional Deviation by the Original Authors.

3) Selectors of the Canon generally did not Believe in Intentional Deviation.

4) 3) is Contradicted by 1) AND 2).

Note that this observation (sadly/tragically not noted by Brown in The Birth Of The Messiah) will be a problem for Believers for ALL areas of the Christian Bible.



Joseph

"I though I made a mistake once but it turned out I was wrong." - JoeWallack

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Huon

I forgot the question. Could you repeat, please ?

JoeWallack

JW:
As usual my post is more of a Lecture than a Dialogue but I can understand it coming across as confusing, complex and conflicting. I guess if I was asking one question from it to the Unfaithful here for starters it would be:

Do you think the Selectors of the Christian Canon generally considered what they selected to be Historical and Accurate and Intentional?


Joseph

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