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Steven Carr · 03-17-2009, 01:24 AM

The last 2 letters alleged to have been written by Paul and Peter are 2 Timothy and 2 Peter.

Both letters warn against false teachers.

Both attack and insult those false teachers, and warn about events in the last days.

2 Timothy talks about how useful Mark is , and how Luke is with Paul. (Curiously, both are alleged Biblical authors)

2 Peter talks about the writings of Paul and how they are scripture. (Curiously, Paul also is a Biblical author) 2 Peter also says this is his second letter (Peter only ever wrote 2 letters in his life , it seems)

If 2 Peter is the second letter by Peter, then perhaps 1 Peter is a genuine letter ?!?

Both have a very high view of scripture. In 2 Timothy, Paul asks for his scrolls, while 2 Peter links Paul's writings in with scripture and calls Paul a 'dear brother'.

Methinks, church leaders tidied up these letters to make the church unified against false leaders, and to validate traditional authorship of Biblical books and to declare them to be scripture.

Tigers! · 03-17-2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

The last 2 letters alleged to have been written by Paul and Peter are 2 Timothy and 2 Peter.

Both letters warn against false teachers.

Both attack and insult those false teachers, and warn about events in the last days.

2 Timothy talks about how useful Mark is , and how Luke is with Paul. (Curiously, both are alleged Biblical authors)

2 Peter talks about the writings of Paul and how they are scripture. (Curiously, Paul also is a Biblical author) 2 Peter also says this is his second letter (Peter only ever wrote 2 letters in his life , it seems)

If 2 Peter is the second letter by Peter, then perhaps 1 Peter is a genuine letter ?!?

Both have a very high view of scripture. In 2 Timothy, Paul asks for his scrolls, while 2 Peter links Paul's writings in with scripture and calls Paul a 'dear brother'.

Methinks, church leaders tidied up these letters to make the church unified against false leaders, and to validate traditional authorship of Biblical books and to declare them to be scripture.

Rather that tell us what you think do you have any evidence to support your assertion?

dog-on · 03-17-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

The last 2 letters alleged to have been written by Paul and Peter are 2 Timothy and 2 Peter.

Both letters warn against false teachers.

Both attack and insult those false teachers, and warn about events in the last days.

2 Timothy talks about how useful Mark is , and how Luke is with Paul. (Curiously, both are alleged Biblical authors)

2 Peter talks about the writings of Paul and how they are scripture. (Curiously, Paul also is a Biblical author) 2 Peter also says this is his second letter (Peter only ever wrote 2 letters in his life , it seems)

If 2 Peter is the second letter by Peter, then perhaps 1 Peter is a genuine letter ?!?

Both have a very high view of scripture. In 2 Timothy, Paul asks for his scrolls, while 2 Peter links Paul's writings in with scripture and calls Paul a 'dear brother'.

Methinks, church leaders tidied up these letters to make the church unified against false leaders, and to validate traditional authorship of Biblical books and to declare them to be scripture.

These where written as anti-Marcionite propaganda and where probably closely tied, in history, to the Luke/Acts boxed set.

andrewcriddle · 03-17-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

2 Peter talks about the writings of Paul and how they are scripture. (Curiously, Paul also is a Biblical author) 2 Peter also says this is his second letter (Peter only ever wrote 2 letters in his life , it seems)

If 2 Peter is the second letter by Peter, then perhaps 1 Peter is a genuine letter ?!?

Both have a very high view of scripture. In 2 Timothy, Paul asks for his scrolls, while 2 Peter links Paul's writings in with scripture and calls Paul a 'dear brother'.

Methinks, church leaders tidied up these letters to make the church unified against false leaders, and to validate traditional authorship of Biblical books and to declare them to be scripture.

I am dubious about how positive 2 Peter really is towards Paul

Quote:

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Andrew Criddle

aa5874 · 03-18-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Carr

Methinks, church leaders tidied up these letters to make the church unified against false leaders, and to validate traditional authorship of Biblical books and to declare them to be scripture.

But, look at what Eusebius wrote about the lettters with the name Peter.

Church History 3.3.1

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1. One epistle of Peter, that called the first, is acknowledged as genuine. And this the ancient elders used freely in their own writings as an undisputed work. But we have learned that his extant second Epistle does not belong to the canon; yet, as it has appeared profitable to many, it has been used with the other Scriptures.

It seems then that the second epistle of the writer called Peter was found "tidied up".

Julio · 03-19-2009, 03:51 AM

1 Timothy 6:20 introduces the term “antithesis” [for “oppositions” in the KJV] the only time it appears in the NT, which was the name of Marcion’s thesis that agitated so much the “conservative” church of the middle of the second century. Therefore, it is not Pauline scripture. The Pastoral Epistles, like many other passages scattered about the NT, are “addendums” and “corrections” to endorse the local and contemporary orthodoxy of the 2nd century.

03-17-2009, 01:24 AM	#1
Steven Carr Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: England Posts: 5,629	Coincidence? The last 2 letters alleged to have been written by Paul and Peter are 2 Timothy and 2 Peter. Both letters warn against false teachers. Both attack and insult those false teachers, and warn about events in the last days. 2 Timothy talks about how useful Mark is , and how Luke is with Paul. (Curiously, both are alleged Biblical authors) 2 Peter talks about the writings of Paul and how they are scripture. (Curiously, Paul also is a Biblical author) 2 Peter also says this is his second letter (Peter only ever wrote 2 letters in his life , it seems) If 2 Peter is the second letter by Peter, then perhaps 1 Peter is a genuine letter ?!? Both have a very high view of scripture. In 2 Timothy, Paul asks for his scrolls, while 2 Peter links Paul's writings in with scripture and calls Paul a 'dear brother'. Methinks, church leaders tidied up these letters to make the church unified against false leaders, and to validate traditional authorship of Biblical books and to declare them to be scripture.

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03-19-2009, 03:51 AM	#6
Julio Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Johannesburg Posts: 5,187	1 Timothy 6:20 introduces the term “antithesis” [for “oppositions” in the KJV] the only time it appears in the NT, which was the name of Marcion’s thesis that agitated so much the “conservative” church of the middle of the second century. Therefore, it is not Pauline scripture. The Pastoral Epistles, like many other passages scattered about the NT, are “addendums” and “corrections” to endorse the local and contemporary orthodoxy of the 2nd century.

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