paarsurrey

Hi

Zoroaster was also a Monotheist:

Zoroastrianism is the religion and philosophy based on the teachings ascribed to the prophet Zoroaster (Zarathustra, Zartosht). Mazdaism is the religion that acknowledges the divine authority of Ahura Mazda, proclaimed by Zoroaster.

As demonstrated by Zoroastrianistic creed and articles of faith, the two terms are effectively synonymous. In a declaration of the creed — the Fravarānē — the adherent states: "…I profess myself a devotee of Mazda, a follower of Zarathustra." (Yasna 12.2, 12.8)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

So to start with there were monotheists in the world, in my opinion, when the people got corrupted they became believers in many gods or no-god. Quran upholds this concept and establishes this very reasonably. Unlike other RevealedBooks Quran mentions CLAIMS and REASONS on all human issues that need guidance from GodAllahYHWH. If there woudn't have been GodAllahYHWH humans would have neither learnt to speak nor to write and read.

I respect everybody's viewpoint though, if reasonable.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Didymus

So is yours.

An unfalsifiable statement, highly conjectural in nature. Are you saying that heaven and hell were invented in a secret government lab?

Right. And what might that proof be?

Your reasoning is haywire. A single example is not proof of a general proposition. Does the Iraq War constitute "proof" that all Republican administrations invade Muslim countries? Did Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinski prove that all Arkansans are unfaithful to their wives?

Sorry, you've proven nothing.

Ddms

spamandham

Opinions are worthless in regards to matters of fact. It is a matter of fact, not opinion, that god ideas originated from anthropomorphizing celestial objects. We know this because we have hard archaeological evidence that demonstrates it.

Civil1z@tion

In reality, we have no idea how many gods the first religion had or even if they had dieties. There was certainly some supernatural elements but in could have been nature worship, ancestor worship, polytheistic, or monotheistic. Given the current evidence, the guess of Abrahamic religions that there was one god in the earliest religion is unprovable and unfalsifiable. If I had to guess, my guess would be after looking at the religions of more culturally "primitive" peoples and the course of religions over history, I'd say that probably the earliest religion was some sort of ancestor/nature worship. However, without more evidence that is just a guess.

If one looks at only Proto-Indo-Europeans, then the likelihood that they were monotheistic is very low given the number of reconstructed gods (aka more than one) from the work of linguists and anthropologists.

In addition Proto-Semitic people (ancestors of Hebrews and Arabs) were also almost certainly polytheistic. So the evidence does not point to religion starting with a single god, but religion is so old that it is possible that the very beginnings of religion prior to even Proto-Semitic and Proto-Indo-Europeans could have been monotheistic. It just isn't likely.

paarsurrey

Hi

Thank you for your input. I alway like a differing voice; so you are welcome to express your opinion, which other humans here might like or not like to accept, nevertheless it is an opinion no doubt about it.

Would you like to mention for us as to what is a fact in your own opinion? That might help us searching the truth from opinions, theories, hypothesis, superstition etc.

Thanks and regards

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

squiz

This seems to be the source of all your claims. Why do you believe that the Quran is the Word of God? Why should I?

bleubird

It was ONE Goddess.
The male thing came much later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Laussel

bleu

paarsurrey

Hi

No, there is no compulsion for you to believe, only if you are convinced heart and soul, then of course you should.

Quran has both claims and reason, but for that you shall have to make a self-study if you like, out of your own free will.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

paarsurrey

Hi

For GodAllahYHWH, an immortal being, male and female are not related. It is the concepts of a certain nation, some may hold feminine concepts and others could have a male concept of a kind-loving-providing-caring God. They could have a concept as received in the Revelation of their ProphetMessenger not on their own. We Muslims have the following in Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 112: Al-Ikhlas

[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say 'He is Allah, the One!
[112:3] Allah the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] 'He begets not, nor, is He begotten,
[112:5] And there is none like unto Him.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=112

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

A Stable Flux

The points I can make here have pretty much been said by Civil1z@tion. It is extremely unlikely that we'll ever be able to look back in time and figure out what kind of religion the earliest humans had. Religion here being defined as communal beliefs about transcendent or supernatural phenomena. Arguing what spiritual idea was first ever conceived of (ancestor worship, animism, monotheism, polytheism) is even more hopeless.
So to probabilistically (most if not all history is probability) argue what kind of religion was the earliest I'd have to opt for ancestor worship and/or animism. Here's a tiny quote from the Minnesota State University website:The most probable truth is there would of been no concern for orthodoxy in beliefs amongst the earliest religions. The communities wouldn't of cared if it's individuals had an intellectual concept of a single being that was the source of all supernatural power or if it's individuals worshiped the ground, rivers and animals thinking there were supernatural qualities innate in all of them. Religion in it's earliest forms would of been solely to give a sense of existential meaning (there is a fate for me, or there are supernatural spirits in all things which give them importance etc.) and alleviate the fear of death (cf. Ernest Becker, Terror Management Theory [TMT]).
Deities were rather intellectual and late constructions. Polytheism was probably created out of societies whom were animists or ancestor worshipers. There is just no real anthropological or historical probably that the earliest human beings were monotheists first. I'd need to see information with citations to respectable academics before I could consider otherwise.