burning flames

the book of joshua contains the fulfilment of yahwehs promise to to give the descendants of abraham the land of the canaanites. The israelites didnt conquer canaan in a series of wars but settled gradually in the sparsely populated hill country far from the canaanite centers of power. the supposed destruction of the walled city of jericho was no more than a creation of priests writing in exile about 700 years after the alleged event....

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/joshua.html


what other articles and books are on the subject of the early history between the jews and the canaanites? I have also heard that the jews borrowed a lot of their culture, traits, and religious ideas from the canaanites, including stories that mnake up the old testament.

Amedeo

Read here a little more:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=205153

Toto

Read The Bible Unearthed. The Israelites were Canaanites.

Amedeo

By and large, that is true. The strategy is known as "Wait for the opportunity." At the same time, the Israelites met some resistance. That when the Lord Sabaoth ordered, so to speak, his People to kill every man, woman, and child, as one famous Psalm tells us: The Lord said, Kill...) You see, an armed force is needed at least after a victorious incursion in order to keep the natives under control. You don't expect roses from them, the way Bush expected from his Iraqi victims... especially after he devastated their cities and killed them by the thousand in the name of the Lord or other fantasies.

By the way, the God of Abraham's imagination gave him and his childred all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile, which theye never fully occupied or conquered. Even as you look at a map in my quoted thread, they land they took (which became the Kingdom of Israel, Samaria, and the Kingdom of Judah) was not even as wide of the geographical "Palestine" [today arrogantly called "Israel"], which had some unconquered land of the Philistines [today's Gaza Strip], etc. // The Dreams of the god-donated Canaan persists, which the Euphrates and the petroil included. The donating God is the same one that bade his People to plunder the Egyptians before leaving. That God gave them riches and promised them to make the world their footstool... if you interpret the Scriptures according to the mythological principle that what God does in one historical instance, such as what He says to does for one lord, is also valid for future lords of the same race. The Bible is a fount of supernal truths and predictions at the same time.

Malachi151

The funny thing is that while the devout oppose the findings of the so-called "minimalists", in reality it helps the case of the Jews IMO and makes there past more palatable.

Instead of being invading genocidal maniacs, they were domestic peaceful settlers. How is this a bad thing. In reality of absolves them (not that this was needed anyway as what our ancestors did thousands of years ago makes no different anyway) of the "sins" obviously attested to in the Torah and other early books.

The truth is that they were genocidal maniacs, great!

Odd that they want to hang on to a false history which basically paints them as worse than Hitler.

It's like if after the opening of the Soviet archives they found that in reality Stalin and the Russian people didn't kill anyone, and the Russians said, "No, no, that's not true, we slaughtered millions, and we are happy about it and want to continue to believe it!"

So, to me, the "truth" both establishes that "Jews" had been in that land all along, and that they were tyrants. How can this be bad news?

gnosis92

I've not seen the evidence so I have no way of knowing whether this minimalist position is correct, or the bible is correct, but fundies say if you can doubt just 1 verse of the bible, then you can doubt the entire bible.

Jesus believed the OT so you should to, if ur a fundie.

I've asked this before but it appears the major bible minimalist is Israel Finkelstein, and the major text of the movement is The Bible Unearth. I am not an archaelogist, but I know that Herschel Shanks invites phD credentialed archaelogists in Bible Review who defend Bible's historicity, so I'm not entirely certain what to make of this when there are bible maximalists who rebut bible minimalists with their own "evidence".

Here is one link
http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/i...ogy.php?page=4

No Robots

On Sinai, God says, "Look, Moses, you've done all I ask, so, for your reward, I will give you the land of your choice. What's it going to be?" As we know, Moses was "slow of speech and tongue." So he says, "Lord, let us have Ca...Ca...Can...Cana...." The Lord shrugs and says "Canaan? Well, whatever you say. So let it be done!" Moses shouts, too late, "Nooo! I meant Canada!"

burning flames

what about the views that the canaanites taught their religious ideas to the hebrews. for example the kabala is linked to the canaanite kabala as well as the kemetic tree of life.

I heard some priest sanchionatho taught the hebrews the ancient knowledge...

Larsguy47

Here's some archaeological information on Jericho proving they never found any walls there after the Israelites destroyed the city. It's possible the walls turned into dust or that the fallen stones were taken over time for use for other buildings. But there are no wall remains left there right now.



LG47

Teflon

What? I've never heard of a Canaanite Kabbalah.

However, the Canaanites and the Israelis did have nearly-identical pantheons. The only differences were the name of the Zeus-esqe figure (Hadad for Canaan, Yahweh for the Israelis) and variations in mythology. There are also other differences, such as values, but that's more culture-based that religious.