arnoldo

Yeah, those gospel writers should have known to edit those obvious errors out of the gospels which evidently didn't come true

arnoldo

Sorry the whole point about Israel is Yeshua. Israel exists this very moment despite your delusions.

makerowner

Non sequitur. Can't you stay on topic for more than two posts in a row?

spin

There are none so blind who will not read their source material. Obviously, not "one like the son of man", which is an erroneous translation, but "one like a son of man" and coming on the clouds not to earth but to heaven. He was going up, not down to us as implied by the the half-quote which misrepresents the text.

Jesus did not liberate the Jews through military strength and drive the foreigners out of Israel. In fact we are told he died, a sure fire sign of false messiahship. Therefore he was not the messiah.


spin

makerowner

:banghead:
Obviously there is a state of Israel. No one here is denying that. Did you fail grade 2 or something? Or are you deliberately misreading people's posts to try to twist their meanings?

Toto

Moderator advisory: Can someone make a case for this thread staying open? It seems to have degenerated into repetitions and insults.

Iamj4ke

Why would God still love the Jews so much to give them Israel if they denied his Son?

arnoldo

Sorry, I agree to stay on topic that Israel is Proof of God's existence.

makerowner

That's what you said back in post #466 too. I guess we'll just have to have faith.

Johnny Skeptic

Good.

Genesis 17:8 says "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." Obviously, the Partition of Palestine did not fulfill that prophecy. Following your own same line of reasoning, if the Jews occupied one square mile of Palestine, that would be a fulfilled prophecy.

If the Jews occupied parts of Palestine, but not Jerusalem, in your opinion, would that be a fulfilled prophecy?

In the NASB, 2 Samuel 7:10 says "I will fix a place for my people Israel; I will plant them so that they may dwell in their place without further disturbance. Neither shall the wicked continue to afflict them as they did of old." Obviously, the Partition of Palestine did not fulfill that prophecy.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the Partition of Palestine was a self-fulfilled prophecy. If it wasn't, if Jewish and Palestinian history had been reversed, and Hitler and other parties had persecuted the Palestinians instead of the Jews, the U.N. would have been consistent, and would have granted the Palestians control of Jerusalem, and a grossly disproportionate amount of land per capita like the Jews got. Everyone knows that under my hypothetical scenario, that would not have happened, and that the Bible is the reason why.

Of the 33 governments that voted in favor of the partition, 32 are predominantly Christian. The only non-Christian government that voted for the partition was Russia. At that time, Russia was joyfully getting lots of aid from the U.S. for rebuilding purposes, and was certainly not interested in contesting the wishes of the U.S. and 31 other countries. Any yet you would have people believe that the Bible does not have anything to do with the Partition of Palestine, and that no other religious books have anything to do with how people act. No rational person would ever claim that religion never motivates people to do certain things.