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Toto · 07-27-2011, 08:22 PM

Air Force cites Bible in ethics training for nuclear officers

Quote:

... at the top of the list of "unconstitutional outrages" is the one "which wretchedly asserts that war is both ethical and part of 'the natural order' of man's existence on earth."

"Astonishingly, the training presentation grotesquely attempts to justify that unconscionable concept of 'war is good because Jesus says it is' by specifically textually referencing allegedly supportive bible passages from the New Testament Books of Luke, Acts, Hebrews, Timothy and, finally even Revelation," said Weinstein, a former White House counsel during the Reagan administration.

I would like to track down those quotes, especially Revelation.

Toto · 07-27-2011, 08:32 PM

Here we go:

http://truthout.org/files/nuclear_ethics.pdf

Luke 3:14 - John the Baptist doesn't tell Roman soldiers to desert!

Luke 7:10 - another Roman centurion portrayed as a good guy!

Acts 10 - more compliments to Roman soldiers!

Romans 13:4 - of course!

II Tim 2:3

Rev 19:11

Atheos · 07-28-2011, 08:09 PM

On a side note it's funny how Romans 13:1-4 applies equally well to Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Hussein and Mussolini.

War is good because the good book says it's good and the good book only says good things about good things because they're good.

Andykiwi · 07-29-2011, 12:30 PM

There is also these two bible references that were coded on rifle sights...

2COR4:6
"For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

John 8:12
"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Bullmoose Too · 07-29-2011, 01:02 PM

Through a Christian perspective, war is only just and desireable when Christians do it against the heathens and unbelievers and win. It is unjust and undesirable when not-Christians do it against Christians and win.

Minimalist · 07-29-2011, 01:18 PM

What is it when one bunch of xtians does it to another? Or must each side go through the No True Scotsman phase to show that the other isn't really xtian in the first place?

Sheshbazzar · 07-30-2011, 07:24 PM

'Der Herr Gott Zabaoth ist Mit Uns !'.

or so they claimed.

.

Minimalist · 07-30-2011, 09:21 PM

Having been caught, they have now given it up.

http://www.truth-out.org/air-force-p...ers/1311972789

Vivisector · 08-01-2011, 07:48 AM

The Air Force, perhaps more than other services, seems to have a history of unapologetically strong ties to Christianity. This always struck me as odd given their presumably strong scientific and technological background.

Cheers,

V.

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07-27-2011, 08:32 PM	#2
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Here we go: http://truthout.org/files/nuclear_ethics.pdf Luke 3:14 - John the Baptist doesn't tell Roman soldiers to desert! Luke 7:10 - another Roman centurion portrayed as a good guy! Acts 10 - more compliments to Roman soldiers! Romans 13:4 - of course! II Tim 2:3 Rev 19:11

07-28-2011, 08:09 PM	#3
Atheos Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Heart of the Bible Belt Posts: 5,807	On a side note it's funny how Romans 13:1-4 applies equally well to Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Hussein and Mussolini. War is good because the good book says it's good and the good book only says good things about good things because they're good.

07-29-2011, 12:30 PM	#4
Andykiwi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 2,515	There is also these two bible references that were coded on rifle sights... 2COR4:6 "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

07-29-2011, 01:02 PM	#5
Bullmoose Too Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toledo, Oh Posts: 9,928	Through a Christian perspective, war is only just and desireable when Christians do it against the heathens and unbelievers and win. It is unjust and undesirable when not-Christians do it against Christians and win.

07-29-2011, 01:18 PM	#6
Minimalist Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,808	What is it when one bunch of xtians does it to another? Or must each side go through the No True Scotsman phase to show that the other isn't really xtian in the first place?

07-30-2011, 07:24 PM	#7
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	'Der Herr Gott Zabaoth ist Mit Uns !'. or so they claimed. .

07-30-2011, 09:21 PM	#8
Minimalist Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,808	Having been caught, they have now given it up. http://www.truth-out.org/air-force-p...ers/1311972789

08-01-2011, 07:48 AM	#9
Vivisector Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: KY Posts: 415	The Air Force, perhaps more than other services, seems to have a history of unapologetically strong ties to Christianity. This always struck me as odd given their presumably strong scientific and technological background. Cheers, V.

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