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aa5874 · 05-01-2010, 07:26 AM

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There is the story of the witch of Endor in I Sam 28, consulted by King Saul in order to conjure the spirit of Samuel. And there are the regulations against sorcery in the Law, which suggest an old recognition of the phenomenon of 'illicit' magic.

Ok, but as far as I know, the Old Testament always attributes healings to God.

But, do not "signs and wonders" imply healing?

Examine Mr 13:22 -

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For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

This passage seems to imply that there would come a time when FALSE CHRIST would perform like or appear to out-perform Jesus.

Theoretically, it is in the best interest of an EVIL God to "HEAL" his agents so that they can perform their EVIL tasks.

andrewcriddle · 05-04-2010, 12:28 PM

In Jubilees a pre-Christian Jewish text the demon Mastema aids Pharaoh's magicians.

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And the prince of the Mastêmâ stood up against thee, and sought to cast thee into the hands of Pharaoh, and he helped the Egyptian sorcerers, and they stood up and wrought before thee. The evils indeed we permitted them to work, but the remedies we did not allow to be wrought by their hands.

Andrew Criddle

Johnny Skeptic · 05-04-2010, 06:15 PM

Message to andrewcriddle: I am now convinced that my arguments are not valid. However, my main reason for starting this thread was to try to reasonably prove that the Bible contains errors other than obvious copyist and scribal errors. Do you believe that the Bible contains errors other than obvious copyist and scribal errors?

Do you believe that an entire group of women at the tomb forgot that Jesus said that he would rise from the dead, and that they left for the tomb without considering that no one would be around to remove a large stone from the entrance to the tomb at an early hour of the morning?

arnoldo · 05-05-2010, 06:46 PM

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. . . I am now convinced that my arguments are not valid..

QFT.

Johnny Skeptic · 05-06-2010, 05:22 AM

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I am now convinced that my arguments are not valid.

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QFT.

Unlike you, I do not mind admitting that I am wrong when I know that I am wrong. You have made numerous invalid arguments at these forums over the past several years. Whenever you get into trouble, you become evasive. Would you like some examples of some of your invalid arguments? If so, I can start new threads at the appropriate forums.

Every day, millions of Christians do things that are immoral. What is your opinion of that? Christians frequently quotemine. What is your opinion of that? Jerry Falwell was a liar. What is your opinion of that?

Johnny Skeptic · 05-25-2010, 08:12 PM

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The whole dispute between Jesus and his opponents may involve his opponents implying that Jesus is working pseudo-miracles like Pharaoh's magicians not genuine miracles like Moses.

Possibly, and some non-Jews would probably have argued that neither Moses nor Jesus performed genuine miracles, which would have been a reasonable argument.

Johnny Skeptic · 05-26-2010, 03:08 PM

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The whole dispute between Jesus and his opponents may involve his opponents implying that Jesus is working pseudo-miracles like Pharaoh's magicians, not genuine miracles like Moses.

That is possible, and some non-Jews would probably have argued that neither Moses nor Jesus performed genuine miracles, which would have been a reasonable argument.

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05-04-2010, 06:15 PM	#53
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Message to andrewcriddle: I am now convinced that my arguments are not valid. However, my main reason for starting this thread was to try to reasonably prove that the Bible contains errors other than obvious copyist and scribal errors. Do you believe that the Bible contains errors other than obvious copyist and scribal errors? Do you believe that an entire group of women at the tomb forgot that Jesus said that he would rise from the dead, and that they left for the tomb without considering that no one would be around to remove a large stone from the entrance to the tomb at an early hour of the morning?

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