hinduwoman

Moses --- not much is known about him. But we do know that his own sister taunted him and his people started worshipping another god than the one he preferred.

Jesus --- is he a real person?

Muhammad --- but if the descriptions in Hadith are correct then he suffered from some kind of brain disease that brought upon hallucinations.


They are like lots of religious leaders including non-abrahamic ones.

premjan

None of this explains their extraordinary success, and that people by and large still follow their words to this day. I mean Hitler was successful for some time, but his message was rejected pretty quickly. Communism was successful for some time, but Reagan demolished it through outspending. But Islam is still going strong after 1400 years. Christianity after 2000, and the Mosaic law, after 3300 years. That's pretty robust performance for something that is only a delusion. Just talking facts here.

premjan

if a perspective correction of any kind removes it, I assume it never really existed.

Mat Wilder

The first problem is determining whether they actually had "mystical experiences" or whether these were simply ascribed to them later in history.

Son of Odin

No doubt there have been many "profets" who have been forgotten. These 3 are just the "lucky" ones who have found enough followers, and to little resistance so they could persist.
Btw, there are still many neo-nazi's who idealise Hitler today. Maybe, just like Christianity did in the beginning, Neo-nazi Philosophy is in a glitch, and it will rise again when everybody who knew what really happend is dead, and some fancyfull fraud claims that Hitler is the son of Odin (héhéhé ) and Neo-Nazi is the way to go.

premjan

well what is a mystical experience? Muhammad probably had severe physical symptoms of something. other than that maybe they were just wise enough to set up systems that worked.

0

I am not a scientist. I can't dazzle you with brilliant definitions of what
existence is composed of. "life force" and "force of creation" are not the same to me. The force of creation both creates and destroys simultaneously. Life force implies that a unifying force is for that which lives, but neglects that which dies.

I am a writer and a poet. And what I see of life is that it is all united in existence simply by being. Being is a unifying force. Just as death can be a unifying force. All of them play into the connectedness of existing or not existing. Both are aspects of the force behind all of creation, one that I do not personify.

I think all of science is the study of this interconnectedness that exists in reality. I take each scientific discovery as proof that our reality's building blocks are unifying, existing in a delicate balance that is "just so" to create this effect or that. So science and my beliefs are not incompatible, they compliment each other. That balance is the foundation of creation and destruction, the force of all.

I am not a Taoist, but I love their philosophies. My beliefs are similar in some ways, but Taoism doesn't encompass it all.


If you can understand anything I just said, I'll be happy.
Brain is fried this morning.

Tangie

mrmoderate

Yes Hassan, there are some theists that post on this forum who are believers in a spiritual world and do believe in a Supreme God. But for the most part, that is not the intent of this forum so we who believe are guests amongst disbelievers and should respect the views of those who this forum is designed for.

I don't believe you have shown any disrespect but some atheists are just so sensitive you know

premjan

the tendency of carbon chains to aggregate and replicate = life force? its more like a certain chemical stickiness than a newtonian force.

0

Poetic explanation. Not a scientist, remember? Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe none of us do. I really don't think any of it matters any.

The topic at hand, however, is Jesus, Moses and Muhammad and thoughts regarding them rather life philosophy.
I believe that these men were as inspired as any one else who has ever penned a cause or created a movement, nothing more, nothing less.
I take them at their words as I do anyone else, either agreeing or disagreeing and leaving it at that.
I think most of the problems have to do with the followers of these men, rather than the men themselves. A person is only as influencial as the masses allow.

Tangie