VoxRat

The thread title made me think you were referring to this singularly bad Star Trek episode from 1968. The funny thing about that is they have Spock (portrayed by devout Jew, Leonard Nimoy) to deliver the idiotic Christianity ass-kissing "punchline".

Antipope Innocent II

Hey, I'm just having a chuckle at what some people present as "evidence". Not much danger of any blood vessels bursting - they're funny but not that funny.

Equinox

Here is a video on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz_C2...related&search

Though I’m familiar with much of the content, it contains the allusion to the belt of Orion as the three kings, and has other statements that are new to me (and I’m a decently well-read atheist). Any comment on things in here that are demonstrably false? I don’t want to get into a whole MJ vs. HJ discussion, since we cover that often, and there are plenty of other points in here. Anyway, Enjoy!

Equinox

Toto

We already have a thread on Zeitgeist, which is quite enough. I will merge these.

Equinox

OK, as is usually the case, there is accurate information mixed in with ridiculous stuff. I didn’t see the 9/11 part, but much of the earliest parts seems to have some basis (plus I’d heard much of it before), and I agree with the earlier poster who mentioned that the animations are good and explain some real astronomy clearly.

So, to sort that out, let’s all please be specific about what parts we think are accurate and which are junk. It’s useless for some of us to say “what a load of junk!”, and others to say “wow, lots of accurate stuff!”, without saying which parts we mean. We may actually agree.

I’ll start discussing specific claims – the claim is made that the three kings refers specifically to Orion’s belt. I hadn’t heard that before – it does appear to have some basis, but is far from ironclad in my mind as of now. For instance – Mt is only one to mention the Magi at all, and he doesn’t specify how many there were. Also, as the stars rise, Orion’s belt precedes the Sirius – is this backwards (the magi leading the star, not following it)? What historical evidence supports the 3 kings as Orion’s belt?

Also – does 12 disciples reflect the 12 of the zodiac? Why else have 12? The number is clearly important because Judas had to be replaced (otherwise why not just leave it at 11?). It can’t be just “because there are 12 tribes of Israel”, since Christianity is clearly aimed at going well beyond the Jews, according to Paul. What other reason is there for 12 disciples beyond the 12 of the zodiac?

Have a fun evening-

-Equinox

Eddie Schultz

Gotta love George Carlin's contribution, about 8 minutes in.

The full 10 minute clip on "Religion is Bullshit" from Mr. Carlin. I'm sure many of you have seen it, but it's always good for a shit load of laughs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

:rolling:

Oh... to stay on topic, IMO, it makes sense.

Casper

I thought it was Uhura?

Pheq

As someone that finds the video interesting, but isn't yet swayed either way, I'd like to know what, if anything, is inaccurate?

All I'm hearing so far is that the sources are flawed. Well if the sources are poor, then the information must be invalid, right? So, what, specifically is not correct about this video?

I've only began reading this forum recently, but there seem to be some serious discussions happening regularly. I really think "it's all bullshit" with no warrant for the claim detracts from that impression.

Yellum Notnef

After you've followed this forum for a long time you will discover more or less that the "serious" long discussions are constrained to a set of guidelines that limit the creation of Jesus to the Old Testament.
Any ideas outside of this, regardless of how obvious they appear, is breaking the rules and nobody will play with you.
The whole thing is a silly game and I've been watching it for seven years as it continues to provide little more than fodder to kill time for all involved.

Toto

Fenton - that's not quite true. The general idea that the resurrection of Jesus is a pagan borrowing is accepted by many here. But there have been various attempts to link the details of Jesus' story to pagan deities but many of them have not stood up to scrutiny. Most of the claims about Mithras are not well founded - he wasn't born of a virgin, didn't have 12 disciples, etc. There are no links between Jesus and Krishna.

And it doesn't help that many of the most strident claims of pagan borrowing are anti-Catholic polemics from Protestants, claiming that the Catholic Church corrupted the original religion of Jesus by incorporating pagan elements.

There might well be links between Jesus and Osiris, but the most recent claims about that contain many errors (seach this forum for Tom Harpur.) The good scholarly work on this has yet to be done.

On the other hand, there are clear, undisputable links between the Jesus of the gospels and the Hebrew Scriptures, so much so that it tends to discredit the idea that the gospels were in any way records of actual events.