Larsguy47

I don't know if this will be taken seriously here, but it does relate to historicity and what some believe will happen. It also relates to the Templars. Forgive me (or applaud me!) for getting right to the point.

As in the recent movie "The DaVinci Code" a lot of effort was focussed on looking for genealogy records relating to the ancestry of Jesus. This "holy blood line" is focussed and symbolized by the "chalice" which is connected to Mary Magdaline as carrying the true blood line. But both Mary Magdalene and the chalice are linked to John, the cousin of Jesus and the "one whom he loved." Thus John, like Jesus, also carried the royal bloodline from King David.

Now. John and Jesus were, well, "a couple" of sorts in those times. Apparently both "eunuchs" (aesexual gays), a condition considered a "gift" in those days. This was played upon to turn John, Jesus' "companion" into a Mary Magdalene, and also to deflect from what I believe (just my opinion) the Templars really found out about and were really looking for, and that is John himself and records genealogy records and other Christian documents being protected and handed down by a group of secret Christian Jews.

That is, the Mary Magdalene, Holy Grail, details are just a cover for what they are really looking for, which is John himself and the ancient records he must be maintaining. I don't think a powerful secret society, likely financed by the Catholic Church was funded unless they believed they were looking for something incredibly real and powerful. It certainly wasn't the decendants of Mary Magdalene and Jesus, since as I noted, Jesus was in love with John and visa versa. But they were looking for John himself, the "chalice" along with those records.

That's based upon the Christian interpretation that John would not die and be preserved alive by Jesus until he returned:

John 21: 20 Upon turning about Peter saw the disciple whom Jesus used to love following, the one who at the evening meal had also leaned back upon his breast and said: “Lord, who is the one betraying you?” 21 Accordingly, when he caught sight of him, Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, what will this [man do]?” 22 Jesus said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” 23 In consequence, this saying went out among the brothers, that that disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?”

24 This is the disciple that bears witness about these things and that wrote these things, and we know that the witness he gives is true."

This is contrasted with the fact that Jesus said some would not die until he arrived:


In turn, it is clear that a whole secondary group of Frist Century Christians would be in this group, as they were wondering if those chosen to survive would get their prize before those who would die and need to be resurrected. But in explain this, Paul himself included himself in the "living [on]" group (vs "dying" group):

1 Thess. 4: 15 For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep [in death]; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord."

WHY REMAIN ALIVE? WHAT RECORDS? In a nutshell, a miracle had to occur in order for God to keep his promise to Abraham. The Jews were going into the Diaspora, to be spread all over. Their genealogy records would be lost after the temple was destroyed (70-73 CE). The promise was for a kingdom of priets made up of the 12 tribes of Israel. This kingdom of priests was likened to a tree, but due to unfaithfulness was cut down with only the root left. The root would remain and would represent 10% of the tree. Thus in the kingdom, 90% would be made up of gentiles who would be grafted into this "kingdom" but 10% would remain natural Jews:

Isa 6:13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it.”

Of course, Christians all know about how the gentiles are being spoken of a wild olives that are being grafted into the tree to replace the Jews (Rom 11:17). But having noted that, the 10% root still have to be Jews from the 12 tribes, precisely 12,000 each from the 12 tribes. For the Bible to be fulfilled, therefore, some genealogies from each of the 12 tribes need to be able to identify themselves from these 12 tribes. This has to be done by the time of the covenant ending, generally, which ended in 1996.

But of course, how could this be fulfilled if the Jews scattered to the winds and lost their original genealogy records? How could this prophecy be fulfilled?

ANSWER: A special miracle would have to be set in place. That simply entailed members of the Christian congregation who could prove their ancestry back to each of the 12 tribes in Jesus' day would be allowed to live through 1900 years until the messiah returned in the flesh to become a man again on the earth, and they would maintain those original genealogy records to prove who they were. Then close to the time of the second coming, perhaps 120 years earlier, these original, "surviving" 1st Century Jews from the 12 perspective tribes would then begin to have children in modern times and by the time Christ arrives their descendants would number over a million out of which would be chosen 12,000 from each tribe. It's ingenious!!!

Thus even now, most people can trace their ancestry back 120-150 years to the mid 1800's, particularly in America where they took national censuses. Thus in this way, the letter of the prophecy could be fulfilled. That is, 1/10th of all those anointed into the "Bride of Christ" as king-priests would be natural Jews, 12,000 each from each of the 12 tribes, made up of descendants of these 1st Century survivors.

TEMPLAR SEARCH: This would explain the templar search and their cover story for looking for the so-called "Holy Grail" and the genealogy records they believe would destroy the Catholic Church, etc. It's camouflaged with the idea of looking for the actual children of Jesus via Mary Magdalene, which is a farce and everybody knows that, but the true "chalice" and carryer of the holy blood line, John himself, is a reality. The Templars must have realized that at some point, become aware of these preserved genealogy records that were being preserved and thus were funded by the Catholic Church to try and find John and these records. That is, they exist based upon something fantastic and true related to the true holy grail.

Having noted all that, we finally have another situation dealing with the historicity of Jesus Christ and the power of these records from the 1st Century, including original copies of the gospels confirmed by both John and Paul who never died, but were among those chosen to live down to our day.

Now this sounds "sci-fi" and fantastic on the surface, but most Christians sincerely believe they are going to Heaven when they die, and that Jesus actually raised people from the dead and cured the sick, so how much more fantastic is simply curing the aging process? So it's a bit hypocritical to believe all the fantastic powers Jesus and God have and not think they could pull this little miracle off in order to fulfill the Abrahamic Promise.

Of course, if 144,000 members make up 10% of the kingdom, then the entire kingdom is 10 X that number, which is 1,440,000 king-priests. That is 1,296,000 represented the grafted in gentiles into the kingdom.

TEMPLAR FEARS: Now it is possible that these records will remain secret, only exposed after the 1000-year reign of Christ begins, but the Templars fear these records will come into public light at some point and then destroy the Catholic Church or give those with these records incredible power. Of course it would! If John himself were still alive and could prove it by the records he had, how much power would he have in the world?!! He could come and destroy the church and rule over the Christian world, at least, with an absolutism of a living saint, as if Christ himself had returned. So of course, to prevent this, they are desperately looking for those associated with this secret society of survivors and also these original records.

So that's something from a HISTORICITY point of view that some of us are considering a real possibility. That even if you don't accept the survival of original members of the 12 tribes who could prove their ancestry, it seems that some original records from the 1st century would have been kept and maintained by a secret cult or family in charge of these records to keep them from generation to generation in secret. Those records themselves would be quite powerful. But they explain why a whole organization was funded to keep an eye out for the slightest clue as to when these records would show up.

Thus I believe, of course, they will show up and that's the reason they were preserved in the first place, to assure the modern Bible and gospels were accurate representations of the true original writings.

So all the concern about this new movement to dismiss the "historicity of Jesus" may become a completely moot issue if these original records do turn up.

ANOTHER LITTLE TWIST: Now I have personally seen John and Paul myself, so I know they survived (or at least I was led to believe that is who they were by holy spirit, or I'm delusional or crazy, or whatever, whatever your personal confort zone of belief or disbelief). But for those who wanted another suggested detail of just how this was done, I just want to note that the Bible suggests these people were able to survive by literally drinking Christ's blood.

Remember what the "chalice" legend is based upon, the significance not just by being the cup at the Last Supper given to John to drink from, but it was used to collect the blood of christ when he was pierced in the side by the spear. Part of the legend as was depicted in the Indiana Jones Movie about the "Last Crusade" believed if you drank from this cup you'd live forever.

The Bible does not really contradict such a thing and suggests it, because of a comment Jesus made about "drink my blood." So it's possible, that Jesus' blood was collected and then those meant to survive down to our day drank from that blood-water mixture that burst from the side of Jesus, enabling them to live down to our day. That is, the legend of Jesus' blood being collected may be founded in some degree of truth. Drinking Christ's blood symbolically is a well-founded Christian tradition. So maybe this special group actually did drink from his literal blood, thereby allowing them to live down through the centuries.

THE CHALLENGE: EITHER BELIEVE THE BIBLE, OR DON'T: Now this is the challenge. The Bible promises many things and there are many prophesies. We are having to explain the details now that we are very close to the millennium beginning. But some can't believe some of this stuff. But it's time to shit or get off the pot, so to speak. You can't believe one thing, like going to heaven and the resurrection and then reject other things such as Paul and John and others surviving down to our day as the Bible also indicates. Either accept the whole Bible as truth and challenge that truth, or forget about Heaven. It's just that simple.

LG47

JEST2ASK

I have no idea how to respond except to say most ingenious , and detailed most thought provoking and entertaiing ... Also curious I did not know there were levels of miracles ... what makes something a special miracle vs just a miracle ... ????

Sheshbazzar

A little problem with your latest theory;
The Gospel accounts do not agree at all with your pervert ideas.
Well then the above would indicate that if we are to "BELIEVE THE BIBLE", then we had better not be believing you.

mountainman

It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind
the reasons by which I was convinced that
the fabrication of the Galilaeans
is a fiction of men composed by wickedness.

Though it has in it nothing divine,
by making full use of that part of the soul
which loves fable and is childish and foolish,
it has induced men to believe
that the monstrous tale is truth

FatherMithras

This is almost exactly the same story I read in Vampire: The Masquerade. I forget which supplement it was... I think it was... The Cainite heresy...lolz

Larsguy47

Well, I don't quite hae that luxury having seen and spoken with God in person myself. It's a little bit different for me, trust me.


LG47

Larsguy47

No problem. Back to basics. Jesus and the twelve disciples including Judas were the only ones at the Last Supper. Try starting there and working forward, not backwards?

Jesus was in love with John (as in not a woman?) Deal with it.


LG47

Toto

Nope, it won't. The DaVinci Code is not taken seriously here. The idea that a few people who knew Jesus in the first century are still alive, sitting on original documents, is not taken seriously.

Get a literary agent and write a novel.

This thread is going to Elsewhere for lack of serious content.

Larsguy47

The ANGELIC PESONALITY is a complete personality, and is ANDRO-GYNOUS, a combination of male and female. Humans are divided into male and female and while pyschiatrists say there is no 100% male vs 100% female orientation, some have a greater "mixture" of the two. Alot of these are gay or considered gay.

That's why when some people die and go to heaven they think they're on a gay cruise the first few minutes until they realize they're actually in heaven. (JOKE! nobody has gone to heaven yet, except Christ, and now he's back for another 1000+ year stent!)

But I think you get my drift....

LG47

Weltall

The lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars. - Umberto Eco in Foucault's Pendulum
Your credibility here is a large number multiplied by nil so no, I'm not going to trust you. As I stated elsewhere, I trust you as far as I can throw you telekinetically.I officially nominate Larsguy as the reincarnation of Dilandau. Do I have a second?