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sschlichter · 08-08-2009, 12:05 PM

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I don't propose to re-ignite this dscussion, just to show what I referred to as the Archeologist who denied the Jericho report has been overturned and put into dispute by her error. Her sole dating error also ignored a host of surrounding historical evidences mentioned in the Hebrew writings. Her premise the cty was destroyed by Egypt includes no evidences from Egypt or anywhere else - and based solely on her eronous dating techniques.
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IamJ: please do not bother quoting answersingenesis.org here. It is not a credible site. It is also run by Christians who have persecuted Jews for the last 17 centuries, more or less. How can you associate with these people?

I am impressed that they kept their website running
For 17 centuries more or less.

Toto · 08-08-2009, 12:13 PM

OK, smarty - the website is run by Christians who claim to be the True Heirs of those Christians who persecuted Jews for 17 centuries, the sort of people IamJoseph thinks lied in their sacred scriptures.

sschlichter · 08-08-2009, 01:08 PM

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OK, smarty - the website is run by Christians who claim to be the True Heirs of those Christians who persecuted Jews for 17 centuries, the sort of people IamJoseph thinks lied in their sacred scriptures.

I found a picture of one of those Christians who persecuted Jews for 17 centuries.

Toto · 08-08-2009, 03:35 PM

She doesn't look a day over 1600.

J-D · 08-08-2009, 05:43 PM

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If you're asking me, I don't know.

That's what the text says, and that's just as we know that there was a guard over the one ring.

spin

That's appropriate reasoning if it's agreed that the text is an entirely fictional construction with no historical component. I think that's still an open question in this case.

(And what guard was there over the One Ring?)

J-D · 08-08-2009, 05:45 PM

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I have noticed an assumption that an issue is resolved if it has been battered around previously on this site. The Jericho issue is very much alive even though you have discussed it before.
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I don't propose to re-ignite this dscussion, just to show what I referred to as the Archeologist who denied the Jericho report has been overturned

You have produced no evidence of this. The consensus of archaeologists is against you and you have given no reason to disagree with it.

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and put into dispute by her error. Her sole dating error also ignored a host of surrounding historical evidences mentioned in the Hebrew writings. Her premise the cty was destroyed by Egypt includes no evidences from Egypt or anywhere else - and based solely on her eronous dating techniques.

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http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...i2/jericho.asp
Thomas A. Holland, who was editor and co-author of Kenyon’s excavation reports, summarized the apparent results as follows:

‘Kenyon concluded, with reference to the military conquest theory and the LB [Late Bronze Age] walls, that there was no archaeological data to support the thesis that the town had been surrounded by a wall at the end of LB I [ca. 1400 B.C.].’2

However, a careful examination of the archaeological evidence collected throughout this century leads to quite another conclusion.

Fortifications of Jericho
Before the Israelites entered the promised land, Moses told them that they were now about to cross the Jordan river, to dispossess nations which were greater and stronger than themselves, with large cities having walls that reached, as it were, to the sky (Deuteronomy 9:1). The meticulous work of Kenyon showed that Jericho was indeed heavily fortified and that it had been burned by fire. Unfortunately, she misdated her finds, resulting in what seemed to be a discrepancy between the discoveries of archaeology and the Bible. She concluded that the Bronze Age city of Jericho was destroyed about 1550 B.C. by the Egyptians. An in-depth analysis of the evidence, however, reveals that the destruction took place around 1400 B.C. (end of the Late Bronze I period), exactly when the Bible says the conquest occurred.3

http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/...bryantwood.php

J-D · 08-08-2009, 05:50 PM

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If you want me to doubt the consensus of the experts, you are going to have to give me some reason to do soThe Book of Han.

I guess I should have been more specific. You left the Roman Empire. but, anyway...

Since I do not know what the book of Han is, can you tell me how many copies exist and what gap exists between the copies and the original.

It looks like a history of 200BC+ written in 111AD. This is already in a different ball park from the NT, even if the original existed.

If you have an example under the same conditions of the NT, it would be more telling. (Roman Empire, papyrus)

It looks like the same ballpark to me. Please define more precisely the dates for your challenge.

sschlichter · 08-08-2009, 06:31 PM

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She doesn't look a day over 1600.

she worked out.

IamJoseph · 08-08-2009, 08:58 PM

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The consensus of archaeologists is against you and you have given no reason to disagree with it

Be not so eager. I have good reason - check how many times the concensus was wrong in similar examples! Th Jericho rejection is based on a dfferential of 140 years datings - which is not a factual conclusion. There are some 50 other factors which had not been regarded and remain in the side of the Hebrew texts.

Since we now have a dating for the tel Dan find, we can examine the Jericho issue in between the Egyptian stelle. However, one cannot make conclusions solely on C14 dayyng of such small period variances - while not having other back up. Specially when it is agreed there was a fire in Jericho's sub-terranean layers, but the C14 dates are not atching.

spin · 08-08-2009, 09:04 PM

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That's what the text says, and that's just as we know that there was a guard over the one ring.

I was at Jericho this year,...

But have you been to the tomb?

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...but I have never been to Mordor.

Sorry, wrong book. Close, but no lollypop.

spin

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	OK, smarty - the website is run by Christians who claim to be the True Heirs of those Christians who persecuted Jews for 17 centuries, the sort of people IamJoseph thinks lied in their sacred scriptures.

08-08-2009, 03:35 PM	#424
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