Jack the Bodiless

All that Johnny is saying here is that we can only guess when the book was written.

In fact, the evidence indicates that the book was STARTED before Nebby's attack (or at least before the outcome was known, because of its false prophecy of his victory), but was not COMPLETED until AFTER Nebby's failure (because of its admission that Nebby failed to plunder Tyre)... but prior to the expedition against Egypt (again, we can only surmise this because of the subsequent failure of that prophecy).

The only part of the "prophecy" that was successful was the claim that Nebby would attack Tyre. We don't know when THIS was written, and it could well have been after the siege started: making this a non-prophecy.

Johnny Skeptic

I already did as follows:

Well, er, uh.......

Do all Republicans have similar postitions regarding the war in Iraq? No. Do all conservative Christians believe that the Bible is inerrant? No. Has James Holding criticized Josh McDowell on a number of occasions. Yes. Has there ever been a consistent set of Christians beliefs? No. First Corinthians 1:10-13 say "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"

Well, er, uh.......

sugarhitman

I will create a thread on this. But for now the Tyre prohecy.

arnoldo

Is it fraudulent because it is completely accurate because it was written after the destruction of Tyre or because it has historical errors?:wave:

sugarhitman

You see ladies and gents supportes and crits. The island city of Tyre did not become a major city until Hiram combined two small islands and built temples and the royal palace on this site in the 10th century. It was not a fortress city during these days. In the book of Joshua Fortified Tyre is clearly located on the coast along with the coastal city of Ramah. When Hiram constructed the island city Old Tyre still remained on the mainland, it is the Mother city. This is the city which Nebby attacked and conquered. This is the city Ezekiel predicted would be attacked by Nebby. Because all the weapons mentioned by Ezekiel are land based weapons and useless at sea (unless ofcourse his horses could run on water). The prophecy is 100% accurate which proves....the existence of God

Johnny Skeptic

Yes, please tell that to arnoldo. He continues to make off-topic posts. If the Tyre prophecy cannot stand upon its own merits, then it cannot stand at all. If you have evidence that the Tyre prophecy can stand upon its own merits, please post it. If not, then please start a thread on a prophecy that you believe can stand upon its own merits.

Of course, there is little need to debate Bible prophecy since it is a given that if a God exists, he does not care whether or not people believe that he can predict the future. If he did, he would have told Ezekiel about Alexander, and he could have told Ezekiel when Alexander would be born.

Johnny Skeptic

But since you have not reasonably proven that the Tyre prophecy was made before the events, the accuracy of the prophecy is irrelevant. What you need to do is start a new thread about a prophecy that has been fulfilled that everyone agrees was made before the events.

Jack the Bodiless

There was no reason to suppose that Ezekiel knew much about warfare, and it is evident that Ezekiel wasn't a "prophet" either (as the subsequent failure of both his prophecies demonstrates).

So how is Ezekiel's inaccuracy and general cluelessness an argument?

Jack the Bodiless

No it isn't. "Fortified Tyre" is the island fortress (with its 150-feet-high walls).

When do you imagine the Book of Joshua was written?

From here:

sugarhitman

So are you saying that the island fortress existed before Hiram?