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aa5874 · 09-23-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

....I think Ehrman's criteria are appropriate only among those who agree that the early Christian claims reflect early Christian beliefs, not fiction, which is a presumption that I take to be self-evident, and the theory of the gospels as fiction would probably seem too improbable and obscure for consideration by scholars, but such objections are why I advocate more generalized criteria.....

Bart Ehrman claims that NOT only the Gospels are unreliable but the SOURCES for the Gospels too.

Ehrman also claimed stories in the Gospels were INVENTED and MOST were changed.

This is Bart Ehrman in a debate with William Craig.

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....You have the same problems for all of the sources and all of our Gospels. These are not historically reliable accounts.

The authors were not eyewitnesses; they're Greek-speaking Christians living 35 to 65 years after the events they narrate.

The accounts that they narrate are based on oral traditions that have been in circulation for decades.

Year after year Christians trying to convert others told them stories to convince them that Jesus was raised from the dead.

These writers are telling stories, then, that Christians have been telling all these years. Many stories were invented, and most of the stories were changed.

For that reason, these accounts are not as useful as we would like them to be for historical purposes.

They're not contemporary, they're not disinterested, and they're not consistent....

Ehrman thinks the Gospels REFLECT INVENTIONS and ALTERED stories.

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

.... Christians were embarrassed by the failed reputed doomsday prophecies of the reputed founder of their religion, and that point is on the face of the immediate evidence without concern for whether or not Jesus existed as a human being...

You are REGURGITATING propaganda that has been DEBUNKED for years.

Jesus of the NT was NOT an apocalyptic preacher in the NT.

In the Synoptics Jesus preached GOOD NEWS to the Jews, The GOOD NEWS of the Kingdom of God.

And in gMark 13, Jesus had a PRIVATE conversation with 4 DISCIPLES, Peter, John, James and Andrew about the signs of the end of time. Just a PRIVATE conversation that is all.

It is simply NOT true that Christians were embarrassed by the Gospels. Not one single Church writer claimed any so-called Christian was embarrassed about any part of the Jesus story.

The so-called failed prophecies are STILL found in the Synoptics for HUNDREDS of years.

Please, name a Christian who was embarrased by any claim by Jesus.

In the NT, Jesus was the Child of a Ghost.

A ghost cannot talk.

We had enough of your propaganda claiming Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher.

Please, name a Jew who ever heard NT Jesus TALK?

You can't do it.

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