LaPalida

I got a friend who is an Ahmadiyyan muslim and he ofcourse believes that his religion is the right religion. However unlike others he claims that they do not believe in miracles and supernatural (excepting angels and GOD ofcourse ) and that he has evidence to support his claim. There is no need of faith to be part of this religion. The claims are that the last prophet... meaning Mirza Ghulam Ahmad made prophecies that came true ... every last one. That's the reason for his faith (as much sense as that makes). Tomorrow he's going to bring me some proof. What I wanted to know is ofcourse ... just how solid this proof is. Is there any non-mainstream muslim site that can help me find out more, or anyone here can shed some light on this. His claims is that there is historical data that proves that the prophecies came true. Thanks for any help.

BH

Greetings.

I have heard of this sect and they are primarily limited to India, Pakistan and the United States. The Ahmadiyyans were the first Muslims to send missionaries to the United States at the beginning of the 20th century and if I remember correctly believe Jesus preached in India before dying. As you have noted they believe their founder to be a prophet.

I don't know of any detailed refutations of their doctrines but I suggest contacting the folks at Islamicity Discussion Board for help with this. you might also try the folks at Turn To Islam.

BH

Here is the link to turn To Islam:

http://www.turntoislam.com/

Here is Islamicity's:

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/

premjan

From what I have heard, the founder of the Ahmadiyyas was even more into self-indulgence than the prophet Muhammad. Their leader is the Aga Khan (a prince) and they are considered heretics in (e.g.) Pakistan. Pakistan's only Nobel prize winner (I think the only one) in Physics went to an Ahmadiyya - Abdus Salam.

Anat

There is also an Ahmadi community in the neighborhood of Kababir in Haifa, Israel. I used to be able to hear their muazzin on summer nights.

LaPalida

Thank you for replies . Appreciate all the help.

Yes, he is from Pakistan where Ahmadiyya aren't even considered muslims in Pakistan. They are even persecuted in some areas. However my friend (like any indoctrinated person) believes his religion to be inerrant and he claims to examine it critically. That coinsists of him debating with his other muslim friends about their beliefs and them not being able to answer his questions. He is conviced that this religion is true because the prophecies predicted by his latest prophet all came true. Apparently he predicted that some battle of 300 people with sticks vs. 3000 enemies with swords would be won by the ragtag army. He predicted this 2 days before and it came true. It says so in historical books or so he says. My qualm with this is if it is indeed true that the 300 people won this battle... was this prophecy written after the fact? Doesn't make it much of a prophecy does it?

J-D

The Aga Khan is not an Ahmadi. There is no connection between them.

premjan

You're right - he's a leader of the Nizairi Ismaili Muslims. My bad.

countjulian

Don't worry about it, thoug. Ahmadiyya, like the Isma'illiya, have sworn off violent jihad as part of the faith, and never committ terrorist actions on behalf of their religion. More info on them may be found here

Their "official website" may be found here
http://www.alislam.org/

A page documenting the persecution of the Ahmadiyya meay be found here
http://thepersecution.org/

The Wiki article Ahmadiyya is not bad. Other than this I have not been able to find much reliable info about them on the web, and I would advise against looking on the internet for this stuff and turn you towards your local library: the Ahmaddiyya are a small community, and most of the stuff on the web about them is anti-Ahmadiyya propaganda by more mainstream Muslims.

LaPalida

Thank you countjulian. That's pretty much why I asked for references. I read the wiki article and the only references I saw were anti-Ahmadiyya websites (for counter arguments on this specific religion).