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Old 11-16-2003, 09:41 AM   #51
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In that case he is a liar, as he has not granted the requests that I have made of him.
You have to have faith in Him to make requests.
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Old 11-16-2003, 10:12 AM   #52
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What do you think asking in Jesus' name means?
Hmmm let me see. I think it means asking in Jesus' name. e.g. "In Jesus' name I ask for world peace."

You have to have faith in Him to make requests.

OK Magus, why don't you do it yourself? You're a christian. Your faith is unwavering. Ask Jesus for world peace. You could print it in your next post. You don't even need to type it. You could copy and paste my composition shown above. How about it Magus?
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You're right, He could end world hunger, but why should He when we caused the problem in the first place?

You're right, he could save us from eternal damnation, but why should he when we caused the problem in the first place?

You're right, he could feed five thousand people, but why should he when they didn't bother to bring their own food along in the first place?

You're right, he could heal a sick person, but why should he, when sickness came into the world because of the fall, which two humans caused in the first place?

I wasn't aware that Jesus's criterion for helping was "I only fix problems that you have not caused". Where in the bible did you get this from, Magus?

In any case, are you seriously implying that starving children are responsible for their own deaths, and this is why Jesus refuses to feed them?

Did your parents always clean up your mistakes and messes, and let you lay around and do nothing but demand things of them?

When I needed help from my parents that no one else could provide, they gave it to me. I believe Jesus had something to say about "if your child asks for bread, which one of you would give him a stone?".
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Old 11-16-2003, 12:08 PM   #54
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You're right, He could end world hunger, but why should He when we caused the problem in the first place?
MAGUS! PAY ATTENTION!

WHICH IS IT: "ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE" or "DO IT YOURSELF"??

Pick ONE and ONLY ONE!

You seem to be saying it's the latter, but that would mean Jesus LIED in the Bible!

How Christian of you to totally ignore the contradictions YOU YOURSELF create!
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YES

My parents when I was a child cleaned my spilled milk messes and my fights with the bully for taking my milk money.

That is what parents and God is supposed to do.
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Old 11-16-2003, 05:20 PM   #56
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Here it is

Matthew 7:9 - Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?


Remember when you ask in jesus name,he may send a boulder from heaven to squish you if he sends anything at all.
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You're right, He could end world hunger, but why should He when we caused the problem in the first place?
How did WE cause the problem when God started this whole kit a kaboodle 6000 years ago by creating man in the first place?Please explain.
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And an omnipotent, omniscient being would be omniresponsible (thanx to whoever coined that word), whether by commission or by omission. Responsibility by omission is allowing something to happen even if one was not its direct cause.

Imagine that you are driving and you see a little child wandering in it. Do you keep on going and later claim that you had not performed any action to hit the little tyke? Do you claim that that little kid deserved it for being somewhere that he/she does not belong?
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Hmmm let me see. I think it means asking in Jesus' name. e.g. "In Jesus' name I ask for world peace."

You have to have faith in Him to make requests.

OK Magus, why don't you do it yourself? You're a christian. Your faith is unwavering. Ask Jesus for world peace. You could print it in your next post. You don't even need to type it. You could copy and paste my composition shown above. How about it Magus?
Who said my faith is unwavering?
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Who said my faith is unwavering?
You assume that magus maybe you should read his quote carefully.

He just assumed that if you really believed that jesus would answer you and do your request.Do you really believe?If you do than the below should be no problem, should it?

Why dont you prove to us that your jesus is real and ask for world peace and prove us wrong by him answering and doing your request.Remember we do not believe neither did doubting thomas until he seen jesus.

I and many members of this board will not believe until jesus does anything.He proved himself to thomas and why not us?

John 20:27 - Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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