tanya

It is also possible, indeed, probable, "to write myths and legends about a fictional individual"

The authors posit a supernatural creature, Jesus, whose behaviour is regarded as genuine, i.e. historical, by a significant fraction of the world's people.

The basis for such a claim is found in the writings of the gospel authors. Their text attempts to confer legitimacy to a myth.

One does not "trust them", by acknowledging the gospel writers' claim of non-human, paternal DNA. Rather, one points to this attestation, as evidence of a massive fraud. Why one would analyze the gospel writer's text beyond such a claim, seeking to glean "genuine" historical information about a mythical creature, is a mystery to me. Does one employ archaeologists to excavate Mecca, seeking the bones of "al-Buraq"?

Written assertion of nonsense does not require further scrutiny. The fact that Jerusalem was, and remains, a genuine, real city, does not negate the fact that "al-Buraq" is a myth. No matter how many additional "historical" "TRUTHS", one derives from reading the anecdote of Mohammed's night ride on Al-Buraq to Jerusalem, the fundamental story is FALSE. DISHONEST. FRAUDULENT. NOT TRUE.

How logical is it, to label a chapter ZERO? Zero, in mathematics, means, NULL. Nothing. Nada. You do not have zero fingers, unless you have suffered under one of the many religious persecutions, throughout history, or, were born with amelia. What's next, a new edition with chapter -1, which, for some folks, comes just before zero?

I acknowledge not comprehending Fubini's theorem, Gaussian Integrals, or countable Baire spaces. I do understand that the above sentence is incorrect, as shown by their illustration of the 11 legged purple crocodile, with or without spots.

This is the heart of the matter, in my opinion. There are no 11 legged purple, or any other color, crocodiles, therefore, presence of absence of spots on a non-existent entity is irrelevant. There is no truth associated with supernatural concepts. Did Al-Buraq understand Mohammed's Arabic? Had he spoken Greek, instead, would Al-Buraq have remained rooted to terra firma, instead of flying to Jerusalem?

Iskander

The vector calculus argument is the old despicable trick that the church has used to silence dissenters; they kept their religious texts in Latin and others dead languages.


It was also part of this fraud to promote the aggressive and malignant ignorance of Aquinas and other distinguished doctors of the church. As it was also the detestable pretension of knowing what it needs to be done with the living and the dead because I babble in a dead language and I am declared wise by the one with authority over us all.


AA is the voice of reason applied to a world where reason cannot survive. He /she is my hero/heroine


When I was a young I met one person who replied to every religious argument put forward by anybody with the word: lies.


Others spent hours fighting with each other to fabricate a winning theological truth comforted by the belief that they were scholars and the other one was a “mental defective”.


The babbling mental defectives are the ones that are taken in by the apparent wisdom of the ignorant.

ApostateAbe

You can consider repetition of correct conclusions to be, "truth," but please do not call it, "reason." Greater hostility against religion does not entail greater proximity to the truth, but greater reasoning may. Some truths are associated with religion. I don't consider vector calculus to be associated with religion, but it seems to be another needless casualty of your anti-religious hostility (vector calculus used to silence dissenters? Really?).

aa5874

It appears that LegionOnomaMoi does NOT have or have NOT seen the Textbook Hubbard & Hubbard's Vector Calculus, Linear Algebra, and Differential Forms.

LegionOnomaMoi seems to have gotten ALMOST everything wrong.

1. The Color appears to be wrong--it is NOT purple but ORANGE.

2. The Animal appears to be wrong--they are NOT Crocodiles but Alligators.

3. The subject discussed in Chapter 0 is NOT "Logical Notations" but "Quantifiers and Negation"


See http://www.math.cornell.edu/~hubbard/negation.pdf

It appears LegionOnomaMoi may have been BUSTED. His math book may be a FORGERY or a Myth--it may have no real existence.

LegionOnomaMoi may have invented his own math text book with the 11 legged Purple Crocodiles.

Iskander

The vector calculus argument is the one that says ‘I know what you know not, therefore Satan [or mental defective] fall behind me’.
It is an argument from authority designed to belittle the opponent. It is the same argument used to silence an opponent by saying ‘you don’t speak Latin, but claim to know better than our great doctors of the church’

Vector calculus has nothing to do with religion and when it is properly used it is a branch of mathematics.


AA position is reason when transferred to a world where reason is impotent, as it is in the world of revelation and of the living dead .Telling those inhabitants of Mordor that the ring will not be influenced by arguments is the only reasonable attitude to take when confronted by those Orcs.


Repeating that ugly is not pretty is reason if someone keeps repeating that ugly is pretty, as the servants of religion do.


I am not hostile to religion, but I say to the vendors of religious products that they are selling ‘holiday villas in Hades’ or to put better: they are selling lies.

sotto voce

The Bible posits a Jesus who is creator, not creature, said to have demonstrated his status by supernatural means.

The basis for the claim is found in many, perhaps most cases, in behavioural change in some (a small minority) of those who claim to accept the creator Jesus as saviour and thereby lord. Many people take little note of the gospels until and unless they see evidence in their practical experience that the words they contain are true, true in the sense that they motivate to make life experiences more acceptable.

Their text explains the motivation for behavioural change. That is the reason for the very widespread use of the Bible, that was virtually banned for many centuries, but is now used (and often distorted) by very many whose behaviour is unchanged, yet profess to accept the creator Jesus as saviour and lord.

tanya

The English word "creature" applies to all living animals, including humans, AND, to mythological beings, like Jesus.

If you wish to believe that Jesus was the creator of the planet, or the solar system, or the galaxy, or the whole universe, contrary to what is claimed in the Bible, (old testament), that's your business.

It only becomes my business if you insist that the source of this misinformation, the Gospels, represents something like truth. The gospels represent fraud, lies, deception, and dishonesty, and they, along with all other religious tracts, need to be exposed to school children everywhere.

Science, not religion, is the way forward.

Physics, not sociology, is the truth.

sotto voce

Means 'something made'. That's not what the Bible says about Jesus.

Then this cannot be a proper forum for progress.



A lot of physicists don't think so.

Solo

Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don't need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows.

- Bob Dylan "Subterranean Homesick Blues"

Best,
Jiri

outhouse

the authors posit a completely mortal man, later deified, like a roman emporer