Plastic Jesus

Attack the Bible, infidels.

Pretend that the Bible is flawless. Keep that assumption in mind as you conjure up all big arguments against it. (that means, don't attack the validity of what it says, but attack the concepts it brings forth)

The PoE, the omnipotence paradox, the "math" problem of the Trinity...think of them all, and post them here, please.

Emotional arguments are allowed, but I'd rather focus on the logical errors first.

Plastic Jesus

To start it off, I'll list what I can think of (most being what I already posted):

1> How can evil exist in humans when there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent creator of the human race?

2> To say that God can do utterly anything would mean that God can break the second law of logic, making that claim illogical (an omnipotent being can make itself exist and not exist at the same time in the same sense, which is a nonsensical claim).

3> Three divine egos (The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost) that have three different sets of attributes are called three different gods, not the same God.

4> Free will does not exist with fate, and if the future was known beyond a shadow of a doubt (as it is, in Christian theology, for God knows the future and God is never wrong), there is fate. God created the fate of humans, but punishes them all the same. (you have a die in your hand. You are about to roll it, but being omniscient, you know it's going to land on a 3. Being omnipotent, you know how to roll it to where it lands on another number. When you get around to rolling the die, is that number truly random? No, you are directly responsible for the number that results.)




Have I forgotten any?

FreezBee

Please, if possible, explain what you mean here. Pretending the Bible to be flawless would sort of make it meaningless to conjure up big arguments against it, wouldn't it?

Anyway, if you like to discuss these matters, I suggest you join the errancywiki:
http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page


Enjoy!

- FreezBee

PoodleLovinPessimist

I think he means to pretend the Christian Bible is authoritative with regard to the Christian religion. This is a little better than flawless, but still pretty much false-to-fact; I suspect that the overwheming majority of self-described Christians would both outright reject some purely Biblical theology, and accept some theology that has no Biblical support.

Paul2

Why would i pretend that the bible is flawless? It's the word of god, so of course it's flawless. I mean, have you actually read the bible? If you read it with god's holy spirit in your heart you will understand.

JPD

I doubt that there is a person here who has not read the Bible and many of those who have - and may well continue to do so - have a religious background which they have left behind them. They have the advantage that they have read it whilst imbued with God's spirit and then later whilst not imbued with God's spirit. It enables a more balanced overall perspective to be achieved.

RalphyS

I always find it hard to understand, why an eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being had to create anything to please himself?

Subquestions:
- Was he bored and is this the reason for his creation?
- How does his creation please him, if he knows beforehand everything that's going to happen to the last detail?

A perfect being/creature/force would have no need for anything but himself, any outside influence might even lead to his imperfection.

FreezBee

Yes, you're probably right here, and that's part of, why I'm confused at to the purpose of the OP. Is it pro or con Biblical errancy/inerrancy?

Also just a minor note. The word "authority" is of course related to "author", that is, the biblical authority relies on the biblical author. If the author is known to bw flawless, then the authority of that author implies that the bible is flawless. In reverse, if the bible is found to be flawed, that hits back on its author. This is the cognitive schisma between those who claim biblical inerrancy and those who claim biblical errancy. The first party translates an "attack" on the Bible into an arrack on the presumed author of the Bible, that is God.


- FreezBee

exile

Genesis 1, verse 1

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

OK. First of all - who are YOU, the author? Second - how do you know
this? Were you there? If not, who told you? Was he there at the creation?

I'm waiting....

Of course you could be God. If so, why write this information in a book, revealed to a small Middle Eastern tribe, whilst creating a universe that gives the impression of being billions of years old and having developed in a manner quite different from the description in Genesis?

Sarpedon

Its...A BC&H thread!