GenesisNemesis

"Interesting things going on in the Middle East, perhaps they will yet find the way to the Valley of Jehoshaphat."

Don't you dare talk about the war in the Middle East like it's a good thing fulfilling your stupid prophecies...

GenesisNemesis

"Interesting things going on in the Middle East, perhaps they will yet find the way to the Valley of Jehoshaphat."

Unfortunately for you, buddy, I found that as an insult. You think this war is fulfilling your damned prophecy?? Let me tell you something. Those signs of the End Times? Hm... very interesting... they're happening today, right? Well GUESS WHAT?

1. There will always be famine
2. There will always be natural disasters
3. There will always be diseases
4. There will always be war, or rumors of war.

Once you look at this perspective, Jesus was RIGHT. But He wasn't right about the DAMNED END TIMES! Oh yeah, something sick about your beliefs... You want that war to go on! BRING ON THE PAIN, BECAUSE THE LORD IS COMING SOON! IT'S NOT GOING TO MATTER, CIVILIANS OR OTHERWISE! AS LONG AS YOU GO TO HEAVEN, IT'S GOOD!

How many YEARS has it been since you've been waiting for those damned End Times to come? 1,970? Really? You must have the damned patience of a SAINT! And oh yeah... famine?? What kind of a sick, twisted, evil, all-loving God would starve people to death as a sign of His coming?? You know what I say? FUCK THE END TIMES. (Pardon my French!) Why would He even need His own DAMNED SON TO BE PURPOSEFULLY TORTURED AND MURDERED ON THE CROSS??

Oh... so it's the easiest way to salvation? Why did God make it so suffering is the easiest way to salvation, hm? That's some whimpy God. Torturing people... sending them to Hell for eternity because they don't love Him back... evil enough?

Btw, why didn't God make it so we could think about what Heaven is like? It's probably going to be better than we think! Worshipping a God I didn't believe in (that is, if He accepts me, which I find doubtful because I DEFINITELY know He doesn't exist) But hey, God is "beyond logic" right? That's more or less saying "God works in mysterious ways..." well, how come He didn't tell us about the workings of the Universe? What does He have to hide??

I find it VERY freaking hard to believe that an all-loving God would create the ENTIRE universe out of NOTHING (a void) but wait...nothing can't come out of something...wha...? But God creates this universe and makes it 6000 years old and then says "let's be done with it already!" Does that not sound illogical? If so, what fucking part of it DOES???

GenesisNemesis

Sorry about the triple posting :Cheeky: That just shows you how pissed off I can get...

Sheshbazzar

Ah, but that is NOT the point here being presented, now is it?
Sure these things which you listed have certainly always been part and parcel of the human condition.
-BUT-
Not part and parcel of everyday experience, and most certainly not accomplished yet.
Not part and parcel of everyday experience, and most certainly not accomplished yet.
Insulted and angry, too bad, O' Logic, "Multitudes, multitudes", are insulted, and angrier even than you, and are now hell-bent on doing something about it.

Oh come on! just laugh it off! after all, as in all former generations, it is all just a fairy tale, and nothing will ever happen or interfere, to bring an end to mans long-enduring pleasure in the spilling of blood and wrecking havoc.

judge

It all did happen in that generation.

which of the things mentioned in Matthew Mark or Luke did not happen?

read this link

Preterism

gregor

best refutation of preterism - 2 Peter 3.

Sven

I'd like watching you debate this with Sheshbazzar.

judge

I,m up for it.

judge

Well I don't accept 2 Peter as having any authority, but lets assume it does.

Lets look at Isaiah 24.

The earth is broken up,
the earth is split asunder,
the earth is thoroughly shaken.

20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.

21 In that day the LORD will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.




Are these things literal?

Sheshbazzar

Other obligations will not permit me entering into any protracted debate on eschatology at the present time.
However, here are some observations and food for thought for whomsoever desires to so engage me.

The theory or doctrines of "Preterism" are only supportable by ignoring a multitude of clear prophetical statements, or "spiritualizing" and "interpreting" such clear statements in obscure ways contrary to the obvious meaning.
Consider Psalm 22:27
and Psalm 64:9
Do the members of this Forum now "worship" YHWH, or "fear" Him?
From what I've been reading on here, this does not seem to be the case.
Thus I find the "Preterist" position of all prophecy having already been "fulfilled", to be untenable.
A search of such phrases as, "all men", "all nations", "all kindreds", and "every eye" will provide any interested person with a list of statements of situations and events that the text clearly declare must be openly and visibly apparent to "ALL", not accomplished in some obscure fashion, in a forgotten and unrecorded past, leaving 99% of humanity still totally unconvinced and unbelieving, as "Preterism" allows.

In the above posts I barely began to mention the eschatolgical texts that can be provided that indicate that "The Second Coming" and "The Day of YHWH" have NOT yet came to pass, the Scripturally required events, and 'changes' not being yet wrought, nor evident to "ALL" mankind, as the plain sense of the texts require.