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coloradoatheist · 12-17-2007, 07:41 PM

I am curious why Luke added the story about Jesus staying in the temple when he was 12? I don't think any of the writers had it. Also how do Christians understand the argument that Jesus's parents said we don't understand what he was doing. After giving a virgin birth and for Joseph supposedly being visited by an angel, it shouldn't be a surprise.

Mike

Amaleq13 · 12-17-2007, 08:50 PM

It has been suggested that one of the author's sources was Josephus and we find that author tell a similar story about himself.

Luke and Josephus (includes a link to Carrier's article)

Minimalist · 12-17-2007, 08:55 PM

If your a cynical bastard like me, you might see that it was another tale stolen from the writings of Flavius Josephus.

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2. Now, my father Matthias was not only eminent on account of is nobility, but had a higher commendation on account of his righteousness, and was in great reputation in Jerusalem, the greatest city we have. I was myself brought up with my brother, whose name was Matthias, for he was my own brother, by both father and mother; and I made mighty proficiency in the improvements of my learning, and appeared to have both a great memory and understanding. Moreover, when I was a child, and about fourteen years of age, I was commended by all for the love I had to learning; on which account the high priests and principal men of the city came then frequently to me together, in order to know my opinion about the accurate understanding of points of the law.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...s/autobiog.htm

Solitary Man · 12-17-2007, 10:10 PM

I wonder who conveys the information that Luke used Josephus best? Minimalist or Amaleq13?

Minimalist · 12-17-2007, 10:56 PM

I always yield to the Mods.

Solitary Man · 12-17-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

I always yield to the Mods.

Tis a pity. Mods are not the be all and end all. However, you're right in yielding this time. You and I aren't so different. Except I'm drunk...that changes things.

JoeWallack · 12-18-2007, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by coloradoatheist

I am curious why Luke added the story about Jesus staying in the temple when he was 12? I don't think any of the writers had it. Also how do Christians understand the argument that Jesus's parents said we don't understand what he was doing. After giving a virgin birth and for Joseph supposedly being visited by an angel, it shouldn't be a surprise.
Mike

Gonna Use My Tfhilim, Gonna Use My LeXXs, Gonna Use My Josassy, Gonna Use My, My, My...Imagination

JW:
This just in from NASA. A statistical analysis of use of the word "twelve" in "Luke" has been determined to be reMarkable.

Joseph

http://www.errancywiki.com/index.php/Main_Page

Minimalist · 12-18-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Solitary Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minimalist

I always yield to the Mods.

Tis a pity. Mods are not the be all and end all. However, you're right in yielding this time. You and I aren't so different. Except I'm drunk...that changes things.

It's a question of raw, naked, power. BTW, I was just in Greece last October. Excellent wines ( 4,000 years of experience will do that ) and Mythos was a pretty good beer. Enjoy your hangover.

Solitary Man · 12-18-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

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Originally Posted by Solitary Man

Tis a pity. Mods are not the be all and end all. However, you're right in yielding this time. You and I aren't so different. Except I'm drunk...that changes things.

It's a question of raw, naked, power. BTW, I was just in Greece last October. Excellent wines ( 4,000 years of experience will do that ) and Mythos was a pretty good beer. Enjoy your hangover.

Whoever enjoys those blasted things?

Minimalist · 12-18-2007, 11:07 AM

The fun is in the journey. I grant you that once you arrive the pleasure wears off.

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Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	It has been suggested that one of the author's sources was Josephus and we find that author tell a similar story about himself. Luke and Josephus (includes a link to Carrier's article)

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Solitary Man Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: ירושלים Posts: 1,701	I wonder who conveys the information that Luke used Josephus best? Minimalist or Amaleq13?

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