Sheshonq

No. It is not.

The text does not say "spirit of the Medes". It says spirit of the KINGS of the Medes:

JER 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.

Thus rendering your desperate re-interpretation "dead on arrival". Jeremiah is talking about specific PERSONS here, the kings of the Medes. (Not that it matters, since the Medes didn't invade Babylon anyhow).

Maybe you should try *reading* the text before attempting your lame commentary next time, hmmmm? :rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling:



More guesswork. When you have proof, let us know.

Except that you haven't shown that these "kings" are Nordic anyhow. In point of fact, you can't even come up with a non-contradictory list of these "ten kings". You exclude many Germanic tribes, and give no reasons for including others. You even try to include Celts and Slavs in your list of "nordic" countries.

Your list of "ten kings" is a joke - you can't even defend it.

ROFLMAO

Read the text before commenting.

Uh, wrong. Media is quite clearly north of Babylon. You can't even use a map without screwing up, can you? :rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling:

premjan

Pars (from which the word Persia comes) is more or less due east (slightly south of east) of Babylon.

Sheshonq

Parthia and Pars are both the same word; they're cognates. The Iranian tribes put the same names to multiple places.

But you're right - Persia is more easterly than Media. I've adjusted my post above to reflect this.

But this just means that the prophecies are in even more trouble, since Bablyon was invaded from the east, not the north as Jeremiah and Isaiah indicated would happen.

sugarhitman

North COUNTRY. Coasts of the earth. Media (Iran) is to the east of Babylon (Iraq). Ectabana is only slightly to the north of Babylon which doesnt matter anyway as Jeremiah was talking about the country not a city. The kings of the north are the same forces who Ezekiel say would attack the Holy land in the last days under the name Gog whom God says this:

"Art you he of whom I have spoken in old times by my servents the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring you against them?"


"And you shall come from your place out of the North parts, you and many people with you..."


In the prophets we read of a king coming from north but never as Gog only Nebby. This is another hint that the king of the north is described by the prophets under another name other than Gog. Media as a country is east of Babylon not North. The raising of the Spirit of the Medes who come from the north COUNTRY AND COASTS OF THE EARTH is not the Medes but the king of the north just as he is foretold in the prophecies of Nebuchadnezzar and Gog.

Sheshonq

Country is not the same as coasts. Stop making shit up as you go.

No, it isn't. See the map.

Deleting the rest of your bent, twisted interpretations until you deal with your failures in basic geography.

sugarhitman

In Isaiah we read where exactly Cyrus would come:

"Remember the former things of old: for I am God and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like Me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasuer: CALLING A RAVENOUS BIRD FROM THE EAST, THE MAN THAT EXECUTES MY COUNSEL FROM A FAR COUNTRY: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass (and Yes you have Sir) I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46

That man is Cyrus who proclaimed freedom to the Jews and he comes from the east...not the north.


As already told God said in Ezekiel that the prophets all foretold the coming of Gog...but where? Where is the mention of Gog in the prophets?



In Jeremiah during the coming Babylonian seige we read this:


"Then the Lord said unto me 'Out of the North an evil shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land. For lo, I will call all the families of the kingdoms of the North."


"Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. The lion is come up from his thicket, and the DESTROYER OF THE GENTILES is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make your land desolate and your cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant."


The king of the north is described through Nebby, the King of the north in Daniel, Gog, The fierce king, Destroyer of the Gentiles, Abomination that causes Desolation, and a host of other names.



Conclusion: The Medes are not the kings of the North, and Babylon in Jeremiah is not Babylon...but Mystery Babylon......Jerusalem, when it becomes the capital or seat of what Jesus named 'The Abomination that causes Desolation'."

Sitamun

What? Mystery Babylon??? Do we need Scooby and the gang to find it? If he meant Jerusalem, why didn't he just say Jerusalem? Is it possible he didn't actually MEAN Jerusalem at all but the actual Babylon and your just making crap up as you go along as you usually do?

Sheshonq

You are now contradicting yourself. First you claim it was Media. Remember this?


JER 51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.


And you were sloppy enough to tell us that Media couldn't be the fulfillment since Media wasn't north of Babylon. Except that it is - almost EXACTLY due north.

So now you're in a bind. You've found out that Media is, in fact, north of Bablyon, so you've decided that Persia is supposed to be the fulfillment of prophecy. So much for "Darius the Mede" and all those other historically inaccurate references to Medes.

But you're not out of the woods yet. Cyrus wasn't the Median king; he was the Persian king. So the Jeremiah prophecy about "stirring up the spirit of the kings of the Medes" doesn't apply here. From my research paper disproving this prophecy:

And finally, you are still ducking and chickening out from answering the big question. Regardless of who was in charge of the invasion of Babylon, we saw earlier that the invasion was a historical non-event, at least in terms of doing any damage to the city or sending apocalyptic judgment upon its inhabitants. So even if bible literalists want to argue that the Persian invasion is the self-same destruction of the Medes that Isaiah and Jeremiah spoke of, the literalists still have a big problem. Where, exactly, is the evidence of destruction? Where do we see that “bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb”?

No matter how you slice it, the Medes were never involved in any devastating invasion of Babylon - and a devastating invasion would specifically be required, in order to fulfill the prophecy. Not while they were independent kingdom, nor during the brief decades while they were co-regents with the Persians over the Achamaenid Empire. And if we assume that the Old Testament authors meant “Persians” when they wrote “Medes”, that still doesn’t help. The Persians treated Babylon with the utmost care and courtesy - there was no devastation.

So sugarhitman can try to hide behind semantics, but the 800 pound elephant in the room is the problem of a lack of destruction of Babylon, where the prophecy calls for massive devastation by the Persians.

sugarhitman

"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO OUR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED." Rev.11

"And the women which you saw is that GREAT CITY which rules over the kings of the earth." (Mystery Babylon)


Jerusalem becomes Mystery Babylon when the False Messiah makes it his throne:

"But the court which is without the Temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given to unto the Gentiles: and the Holy city shall they tread (defile) under foot FORTY TWO MONTHS."

"And there was given him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.....and power was given him to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS." Rev 13.

"For when you see the 'Abomination that causes Desolation standing in the *Holy Place* spoken of by the prophet Daniel, know that the time is near."---Jesus


"And he shall plant the tabernacles of HIS PALACE between the seas in the GLORIOUS HOLY MOUNTAIN (JERUSALEM);yet shall he come to his end, and none shall help him." Daniel 11


Jerusalem is the future Mystery Babylon when this man sets himself up as the so-called Messiah.

"And the whole world wondered after the beast" Including Israel.



I again say do not ignore the hints...if you do your interpretation becomes nothing.

Sheshonq

Meaningless drivel.

1. You claimed that Media was not north of Babylon. It is. You were wrong.

2. You are now asking us to not notice when you change focus from Media to Persia, even though they aren't the same country and have different histories.

3. You have ignored the fact that Babylon wasn't destroyed at all, but was instead treated with kid gloves.

All this other mumbo-jumbo is just smokescreen for the reality that you have stepped on your crank and dont' have the courage to address these three points above.