Hex

Hey Lars,

How does the Biblical Flood work in with your chronology and how do you get the number you do?

Come on, I -know- you've got a number to lay out here ...

RED DAVE

It's been about three weeks and we're still waiting praxeus. You managed to work up an entire bogus theory about the Exodus and Saudia Arabia in past few days, but nothing about the Flood.

So:

RED DAVE

Hex

...

RED DAVE

From praxeus (in the OP - April 2):
From RED DAVE:
From praxeus (April 13):
It has now been 24 days since the above.

Reasonably, we should expect a response from praxeus by next Monday.

For those who are getting a little impatient:

FULL TEXT OF War and Peace.

http://www.bibliomania.com/0/0/52/96/frameset.html

RED DAVE

Amedeo

When did the Bible-cited Flood occur?
Very simple calculation:

It occurred while Noah was alive, as he was appointed to start mankind all over again.

Now, the Nations founded by the sons of Noah go down to the third generation or so, which is about 100 years.

Furthermore, because of some Nations were mentioned, which WE know from non-Biblical sources. So, we are certain that the Table of the Nations could NOT have been composed before around 1700 B.C.; they cannot refer to some events prior to 1700 B.C. (Abraham will be born abour 320 years later.)

Hence, the Flood occurred around 1800 B.C. If our own evidence is that there was no world-deluging flood around 1800 B.C., then the Biblical account is fictitious and we have no problem left as to when such a flood occurred.
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P.S. [from my own websites]

This is how myths used to be made:

Given some ancient event, such as the explosion of the Santorini volcano, enormous tidal waves inundated the coasts, east, north, south [against Crete, avoiding Egypt], and west as far as Sicily (where some cave paintings may allude to the flooding). Some fishermen and their families and livestock were saved on large boats, which were taken by the waters over former dry land. Memories of great events were transmitted around the Mediterranean Sea and beyond from generation to generation. And now somebody said to the children: It was our forefather Noah that saved mankind though his only family. He was the only righteous one in a world of wicked men and womanizing giants (nephilim).

The Santorini eruption/explosion took place around 1630 B.C. -- close enough to my earliest date before which the Table of Nations could not have been composed, and to the earliest Flood date I calculated (1800 B.C.)

Hex

Sooo ... Since we have unbroken Paleo and Archaic on through Monagrillo, Tlapacoya, and into the Olmec in Mesoamerica (7000 through 1050 BC) with no 'Global Flood' occuring around 1800 BC (Or indeed at all during that time period), it's safe to say the the Biblical account is ficticious?

Works for me ...

GilgameshEnkidu

I'm interested in knowing how a global flood reulted in mountains of sedimantary rock being at bizarre angles from the surrounding ground. How do sediment layers form evenly on a sloped surface?

Amedeo

"Exodus" tells of the birth and miraculous preservation of Moses, whose name, the Bible suggests, is Egyptian. Anyway, having killed an Egyptian officer who was beating a Hebrew and having learned that somebody had seen him bury the man he killed, he fled from Egypt [or the Egyptian controlled territory, as I have indicated in another post], to a foreign land, Midian, which was never mentioned as one of the Nations and is never to be heard of from our own history.

Midian was undoubtly a territory outside the Egyptian controlled Canaan, as every detail of the story of Moses in Midian for some 40 years indicates. It could have been part of the land of the Philistines which had not fallen under Egyptian control. Indeed, the proto-Greek place-name must have been carried by the Greeks that in earlier times had migrated into the Aegean Hellenic territory and is evident in these toponyms:
-- Midea or Mideia), a city of Boetia; and a city in Argolis. Midea in Argolis was one of the major cities of Mycenaean Greece that flourished between 1600 and 1100 B.C.
-- Medeo^n, a city in Boetia; and a city in Acarnania (in west-central Greece).

We learn that Moses married one of Reuel's daughters, and he tended the flocks of Jethro, that is, his father-in-law who was the priest of Median. So, it seems the "jethro" ["yitro" in standard Hebrew] meant "priest" or was a title of this priest.

"Jethro" is not Hebrew, Egyptian, or Canaanite. It is most likely a Philistian or proto-Greek word that leads us to a classical non-phonetically modiefied Greek word:

jethro/yitro < * iero-thu(tos): sacri-ficial; offered as sacred (such as the aromatic exalations of burned wood or spices) to the gods. [These were not human sacrifices.] So, "Jethro" would have meant "offerer of sacrifices" or simply Priest.

It will be from the north or north-west that that Moses will lead the Hebrews out of the Egyptian domain, and it is from thence that the area later called Palestine will be slowly occupied by Joshua and David. He knew at least the Philistinian pasture lands first-hand.

Steven Avery

Any geologic formation that has marine fossil strata at 15,000, 20,000 or more feet. That is theorized movement from start (below sea level) to finish (where they are now).

Shalom,
Steven Avery

Steven Avery

Hi Hex,

Ever here of the words "circular reasoning" ?

Shalom,
Steven