Jeffrey Gibson

Could you please name the "reputable" scholars you speak of and cite the place or places in their works where they say what you claim they say?

Better yet, would you be kind enough to provide quotes from the particular works you have in mind that shows that they say what you claim they say?

Thanks in advance.

Jeffrey

spamandham

What!? And spoil the surprise? It'll be more fun to provide that information after you support your claim that Paul believed in an earthly Jesus.

Jeffrey Gibson

Ah -- the shifting of the burden. Always a good indication that one cannot back up one's claims.

Thanks for clarifying.

Jeffrey

spamandham

You're very welcome.

Now that you've stated your standards, I assume you'll be living up to them and present a case for your claim that Paul believed in an earthly Jesus.

:wave:

Jeffrey Gibson

I did? In the message you just quoted? So far as I can see, the only standard I stated there (and even then only by implication) was that he who asserts must prove.

So far as I can see, I made no such claim in the message above, let alone in this thread. And even if I did (can you show me where?), it's irrelevant to the issue presently under discussion -- which is the truth of your claim that "Many of the passages that have Paul referring to an earthly Jesus are contended by one or more reputable scholars to be later additions."

So .. who are these "reputable" scholars? And where in particular can the claim you say is theirs be found?

Jeffrey

spamandham

Nope you didn't. Sorry. I confused you with GakuseiDon.

Have you not already concluded I'm blowing smoke? Isn't that satisfaction enough?

GakuseiDon is welcome to ignore or head the word of caution that started this ridiculous exchange. I could care less about backing it up.

Jeffrey Gibson

No, I haven't concluded that you are/were blowing smoke. Should I have? Is this something you ordinarily do?

And even if I had come to this conclusion, I could be/have been wrong to have done so. So I am asking you to show me whether or not I am/would be wrong if I had come to this conclusion.

So I ask again: To your knowledge are there or are there not "reputable scholars" who have done as you claim, i.e, contended that "Many of the passages that have Paul referring to an earthly Jesus are ... later additions?

If, so far as you know, the answer is no, then why did you make the claim?

And if the answer is yes, then please be so kind as to name these scholars and to tell me where exactly where their statements on this matter are to be found.

Jeffrey

spamandham

The comment that spawned this was a word of caution to another poster, and was not intended as an argument of any particular position. Both you and he are free to dismiss it if you want.

I did not claim that there are reputable scholars who say "Many of the passages that have Paul referring to an earthly Jesus are ... later additions?". Read more carefully.

Jeffrey Gibson

Who said your remark that "Many of the passages that have Paul referring to an earthly Jesus are contended by one or more reputable scholars to be later additions" was an argument? Certainly not me. I've characterized it as a claim, which is what it is. And what does what "spawned" this claim have to do with its truth or falsity? It's either true or it isn't, regardless of what its origin was.

So I ask again, to your knowledge, are there really, as you have claimed there are, reputable scholars who have done what you most certainly have claimed they have done -- namely, contended that many of the passages that have Paul referring to an earthly Jesus are interpolations? If indeed there are, as you have most certainly claimed there are, who are they? If there aren't, why did you assert something as a fact when it is not?

You didn't?:huh: Oh, I see! It was someone other than you, someone else who posted under your name and from your address, who asserted here that "Many of the passages that have Paul referring to an earthly Jesus are contended by one or more reputable scholars to be later additions".

Umm ... so far as I can see there's nothing careless about my reading. But there does seem to be something fuzzy about your memory.

Jeffrey

spamandham

Ask as often as you like. The reply remains the same.

I did indeed say that. What I didn't say was:

I'm sure you're clever enough to recognize the difference.