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Duvduv · 05-17-2012, 11:00 PM

WHAT Christians in the first century , Lynx ??

Duvduv · 05-17-2012, 11:04 PM

I only meant good in a relative sense. At least poor Irenaeus had a bit of meat on the bones. He must have thought Pilate was a prefect for twenty or thirty years or something.

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..... Justin is trying to ARGUE on behalf of his group, but even then should be able to tell his august reader SOMETHING about the group he is advocating for.
And he doesn't, not even a little bit as I described. He doesn't even do as "good" a job of this as Irenaeus or others.

Irenaeus did a "good" job??? Irenaeus claimed Jesus was crucified at about 50 years of age when he supposedly was a Presbyter of the Church, was in Rome, and supposedly had or was aware of the Four Gospels, Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline letters.

All the bogus information about the authorship, dating and chronology of books of the NT Canon are found in writings attributed to Irenaeus.

It was Irenaeus who supposedly claimed Pilate was a Governor in the reign of Claudius.

Writings attributed to Irenaeus are products of FRAUD since they are NOT compatible with the DATED Texts.

4321lynx · 05-17-2012, 11:11 PM

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WHAT Christians in the first century , Lynx ??

OK
Jewish heretics.
Happy now? Or are you one of the obsessed?

aa5874 · 05-17-2012, 11:26 PM

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I only meant good in a relative sense. At least poor Irenaeus had a bit of meat on the bones. He must have thought Pilate was a prefect for twenty or thirty years or something.

Well, poor Irenaeus!!!

Demonstration of Apostolic preaching"

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For Herod the king of the Jews and Pontius Pilate, the governor of Claudius Caesar,248 came together and condemned Him to be crucified

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Justin Martyr

First Apology

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Our teacher of these things is Jesus Christ, who.........was crucified under Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judaea, in the times of Tiberius Caesar

The writings attributed to Irenaeus are really fraud and forgeries.

Duvduv · 05-17-2012, 11:51 PM

The texts sure don't allow much time for Paul to do hia thing and travel so much well before the destruction of the Temple. Had "Irenaeus " lived in the second century he certainly would have known when the temple was destroyed a century earlier and would have known people who knew the disciples of Jesus and Paul, but doesn't care about these things. How "mysterious "!
And if he knew so much why wouldn't he know the proper history of his own Roman regime and of his Savior of only the previous 150 years?!
He knew where to find the archives of Pilate then how come he was confused about his Savior's life?
Because the book written by the unknown Irenaeus was a book backdated to the second century by some later confused authors.

Are there conflicting manuscripts of Irenaeus?
But it's strange that no one corrected the name Claudius to Tiberius. Such an easy interpolation especially if they thought it was a scribal error. But that wouldn't help the fifty year age period.

Duvduv · 05-18-2012, 12:03 AM

No, because there were no Christians of any type in the first century

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WHAT Christians in the first century , Lynx ??

OK
Jewish heretics.
Happy now? Or are you one of the obsessed?

Huon · 05-18-2012, 12:33 AM

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No, because there were no Christians of any type in the first century

It will be very difficult to prove this.

Pliny the Younger (62?-c.113) was Governor of Bithynia (northwestern Turkey). Around 111 or 112 CE, he wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan asking for advice on how to deal with Christians.

Duvduv · 05-18-2012, 02:21 AM

There is no surviving manuscript of even what Giacondo had. He was the priest who "discovered " it and is hardly an unbiased source.
No ancient source even cites it so it can be discounted.

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No, because there were no Christians of any type in the first century

It will be very difficult to prove this.

Pliny the Younger (62?-c.113) was Governor of Bithynia (northwestern Turkey). Around 111 or 112 CE, he wrote a letter to the emperor Trajan asking for advice on how to deal with Christians.

Huon · 05-18-2012, 02:28 AM

The alternative possibility is a miracle performed in the second century by God Nr 1 or God Nr 2 ...

4321lynx · 05-18-2012, 07:47 AM

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The alternative possibility is a miracle performed in the second century by God Nr 1 or God Nr 2 ...

What about God Nr 3.? The poor fucking Holy Spirit gets to do nothing beyond the Annunciation and "entering" a few people/minds from time to time afterwards?
Hope they were worth "entering" and "open" to him/her/it, with his/hers/its poor little dove's equipment.:devil1:

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Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	WHAT Christians in the first century , Lynx ??

05-17-2012, 11:51 PM	#85
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	The texts sure don't allow much time for Paul to do hia thing and travel so much well before the destruction of the Temple. Had "Irenaeus " lived in the second century he certainly would have known when the temple was destroyed a century earlier and would have known people who knew the disciples of Jesus and Paul, but doesn't care about these things. How "mysterious "! And if he knew so much why wouldn't he know the proper history of his own Roman regime and of his Savior of only the previous 150 years?! He knew where to find the archives of Pilate then how come he was confused about his Savior's life? Because the book written by the unknown Irenaeus was a book backdated to the second century by some later confused authors. Are there conflicting manuscripts of Irenaeus? But it's strange that no one corrected the name Claudius to Tiberius. Such an easy interpolation especially if they thought it was a scribal error. But that wouldn't help the fifty year age period.

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Huon Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bordeaux France Posts: 2,796	The alternative possibility is a miracle performed in the second century by God Nr 1 or God Nr 2 ...

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