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So far, I do not think the Church or Eusebius invented Jesus, but Luke and Paul appear to be inventions of the Church or Eusebius.

My hypothesis is that the Church or Eusebius fabricated all the information now available about Paul and Luke, that is, the Church or Eusebius falsely claimed Paul wrote letters to seven Churches and that Paul lived before the days of Nero and had a companion named Luke. Also, the Church or Eusebius falsely claimed that Marcion of Pontus knew of the writings of Paul and Luke.

Philo of Alexandria and Flavius Josephus cannot account for any Jesus Movement in the first century. These writers have not identified any MADMEN who persuaded the Jews to worship a blasphemer, after he supposedly ROSE from the dead and was called the Son of the God of the Jews while the Jewish temple was still intact.

Philo and Josephus cannot account for Paul or Luke.

They wrote about the Essenes, the Theraputae, Sadducees, Pharisees, John the Baptist, chief priests, the sanhedrin, Pilate, but they both forgot to mention the JESUS PEOPLE.

I don't think there were any Jesus people in the 1st century, and that includes Luke and Paul.

Now, I don't know which century the Church or Eusebius invented Luke and Paul, but somehow I am beginning to think it was the 4th century, since it was at that time that the Church and Eusebius , with the help Constantine, could say without fear of contradiction, "only we know the truth".

mountainman

The Boss was cleverer than that. He actually coerced people to sign an oath of alliegence to his initiatives against the advice of Arius of Alexandria. It was good for future business. He had spent all of his early life as a hostage in the courts of Diocletian. He was now holding the empire hostage to his demands. Here was a man of documents.

Here is the document that the rich indigenous civilians and landholders of the greek speaking eastern Roman empire were coerced to sign under military duress during the second military supremacy council, held at Nicaea and following the preliminary screening of the civilians at Antioch 324 CE. We are told these people were 318 christian bishops but I insist that this is part of the fraudulent misrepresentation of the history written by the military supremacist victors. They were 318 pagans with nowhere to go since they were surrounded by Constantine's military machine.



It is my considered opinion that the catholic and christian church, Jesus and all christendom did not exist before this oath was signed under duress.

That in fact there was a time when Jesus was not.
It was before the time of Constantine.

That before he was born he was not.
Jesus had no historical existence before Constantine.

That he was made out of nothing existing.
Jesus was a character in a fiction story.

that God’s Son is from another subsistence or substance.
Jesus and the 12 Apostles have a literary and not an historical existence,
prior to the era of Constantine in which they were lavishly published.

Jesus (and the NT) is subject to alteration or change.
That the Eusebian story was being rewritten before and after Nicaea.

Best wishes,


Pete

PS: Who was Lithargoel?

DCHindley

Andrew,

Luke 23:34 may be in most mss witnesses, but not some of the oldest. FWIW, that passage has the support of S* A C Old Latin vg syr. cur and pesh, Mcion Iren Or Aug, but is omitted by Codex Vaticanus, Codex Bezae and p75.

Besides, Stephen utters his prayer asking God to forgive his attackers as he is being stoned, as is James when he utters his prayer. I will grant that the wording is not identical.

DCH

Ben C Smith

The PDF files are now hosted on my site, as well. Many, but not all, of the line errors have been corrected.

Ben.