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Darfius · 03-19-2005, 01:11 PM

There apparently was no sex until after they ate from the tree of knowledge

Why do you say that? God told them to be fruitful and multiply. They didn't know they were naked until after they ate the fruit.

and where ran out of Eden by god.

God can't stand sin, of course they were run out. Not to mention they disobeyed Him and damned their kids along with them.

Maybe that’s why they have different parts, God knew that that would happen.

Agreed. God knew they would have kids, so He gave them different parts.

If he did, why did he tempt them in the first place?

Satan did the tempting. God did the testing. They failed the test and succumbed to Satan's tempting. If you're asking why God tested them, the answer is love. If they loved Him, they would have obeyed Him. Also, if there was no way to disobey Him, would they have had free will?

If he didn’t know, then his not much of a god!

He knew, but it was either test them or take away their free will. Do you enjoy your free will?

Asha'man · 03-19-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darfius

Satan did the tempting. God did the testing. They failed the test and succumbed to Satan's tempting. If you're asking why God tested them, the answer is love. If they loved Him, they would have obeyed Him. Also, if there was no way to disobey Him, would they have had free will?

Satan wasn't in the Garden of Eden story. It was a Talking Snake.

Or are you suggesting that God punished snakes unfairly, causing them to eat dust and crawl on the ground, just because Satan disguised himself as one?

Or maybe you are suggesting that God was fooled by the disguise?

sgary · 03-19-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Asha'man

Satan wasn't in the Garden of Eden story. It was a Talking Snake.

Satan was in the garden, see Ezekiel 28.13. Also no snake, but satan is conveyed as 'subtil' and a 'serpent'. See Revelation 20.2 for some of his names.

Look what he did in the garden, ..."The serpent beguiled me"... Genesis 3.13
This was a total seduction, mentally and physical, we got sex in the garden, they covered their butts, not their mouths.

Now let the typing begin. (I'll watch! hehehe)

sgary

Mr. Aardvark · 03-20-2005, 12:03 AM

>>Why do you say that? God told them to be fruitful and multiply. They didn't know they were naked until after they ate the fruit.<<

Think how boring the business of "multiplying" would be w/o the knowledge that you and your partner are naked. I'm glad they ate the fruit.

unassimilated · 03-21-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Darfius

If he did, why did he tempt them in the first place?

Satan did the tempting. God did the testing. They failed the test and succumbed to Satan's tempting. If you're asking why God tested them, the answer is love. If they loved Him, they would have obeyed Him. Also, if there was no way to disobey Him, would they have had free will?

If he didn’t know, then his not much of a god!

He knew, but it was either test them or take away their free will. Do you enjoy your free will?

If the snake was Satan, (and I'am not sure it was.)
God created him and the snake too, so he created the temption.
In fact god is suppose to have created everything. Wouldn't that include all temption?
Also you said,"he knew", and I agree, sooooo.
No free will. It even say's so in the NT.
This is one of the reasons I no longer belive in the bible.
Do you enjoy your free will?
Yes as an atheist I do, and I am responsible for my actions.
As a christian you have no free will, all outcomes are known and predetermined.
Are he doen't know.
I could be wrong.
anyway thank's for post's.

LeeBuhrul · 03-21-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by unassimilated

Ok, I hope this belongs in Evolution/Creation.
After reading genesis I have some questions.
1. Why did god create a woman for Adam? Wouldn’t a man be a better helper? ... because adam was horny... and no... or yes depending on whether you're straight or gay...
2. If man was created in god’s image, who’s image was Eve made in? I mean the parts are not the same. Where did female parts come from? ... wherever/whoever they came from... GOOD JOB!!!!
3. If Eve was made from Adam’s rib, wouldn’t he be making love to himself?

.... which explains why so many guys try to... oh never mind...
4. What kind of DNA, did Cain and Abe have?!? DNAdam?
There apparently was no sex until after they ate from the tree of knowledge, and where ran out of Eden by god. Maybe that’s why they have different parts, God knew that that would happen. If he did, why did he tempt them in the first place? If he didn’t know, then his not much of a god! actually you could read the whole thing so that there was sex but without any "stigma attached"... sorta like the 60's

What say you?

sorry couldn't resist, must be the dinner wine

unassimilated · 03-21-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sgary

Satan was in the garden, see Ezekiel 28.13. Also no snake, but satan is conveyed as 'subtil' and a 'serpent'. See Revelation 20.2 for some of his names.

Look what he did in the garden, ..."The serpent beguiled me"... Genesis 3.13
This was a total seduction, mentally and physical, we got sex in the garden, they covered their butts, not their mouths.

Now let the typing begin. (I'll watch! hehehe)

sgary

First: Ezekiel 28.13 ? don't know what you saw there.
revelations 20.2 does call satan a snake, but not the snake in Eden.
I mean moses had a cain that truned into a snake, was that satan to?
Maybe satan free'd the children of Israel. Who knew!? :Cheeky:

unassimilated · 03-21-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LeeBuhrul

sorry couldn't resist, must be the dinner wine

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

ArchAngel · 03-22-2005, 11:36 AM

I used to believe that snakes could talk. Now it just sounds silly.

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03-19-2005, 01:11 PM	#11
Darfius Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 57	There apparently was no sex until after they ate from the tree of knowledge Why do you say that? God told them to be fruitful and multiply. They didn't know they were naked until after they ate the fruit. and where ran out of Eden by god. God can't stand sin, of course they were run out. Not to mention they disobeyed Him and damned their kids along with them. Maybe that’s why they have different parts, God knew that that would happen. Agreed. God knew they would have kids, so He gave them different parts. If he did, why did he tempt them in the first place? Satan did the tempting. God did the testing. They failed the test and succumbed to Satan's tempting. If you're asking why God tested them, the answer is love. If they loved Him, they would have obeyed Him. Also, if there was no way to disobey Him, would they have had free will? If he didn’t know, then his not much of a god! He knew, but it was either test them or take away their free will. Do you enjoy your free will?

03-20-2005, 12:03 AM	#14
Mr. Aardvark Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Near Philly Posts: 265	>>Why do you say that? God told them to be fruitful and multiply. They didn't know they were naked until after they ate the fruit.<< Think how boring the business of "multiplying" would be w/o the knowledge that you and your partner are naked. I'm glad they ate the fruit.

03-22-2005, 11:36 AM	#19
ArchAngel Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: USA Posts: 164	I used to believe that snakes could talk. Now it just sounds silly.

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