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tezz · 09-28-2004, 02:52 PM

So is there anyone around today that claims to be desposyni?

Toto · 09-28-2004, 04:16 PM

Yes, but that gets into the "alternative" history area.

Bloodline of the Holy Grail

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According to Gardner, Jesus married Mary Magdalene, and she was pregnant with his child when he was crucified at Qumran, not Golgotha as it is usually thought. Mary delivered a male child before she and her son were spirited out of Palestine to France, where she died. This child became the scion of an amazing genealogy that terminates?surprise?in the House of Stuart. Furthermore, that house did not expire but flourishes to this day. This book is an amazing patchwork of scholarly trappings and dizzy tomfoolery stitched together with myth and fable until it fabricates the amazing argument that indeed the Crown of England properly belongs to the Line of David through Jesus Christ himself. This is exhilarating fantasy worthy of a great romantic novel.

funinspace · 09-28-2004, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Yes, but that gets into the "alternative" history area.

Bloodline of the Holy Grail

NO! This can't be truuuueee. I remember reading "somewhere" that London was Dan's land, and these are all the lost Jew's from the earlier disporia during the Babylon era. Some preacher named Scotty or some such said so...

spin · 09-28-2004, 06:19 PM

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Scotty or some such said so...

Hell, I just always knowed there was a religious significance to "Beam me up, Spotty"!

spin

Angyson · 09-28-2004, 08:34 PM

There is a cave just walking distance outside Ephesis, Turkey, which is, according to legend, where Mary lived out her days. I have visited it and can report that it is literally a hole in the wall.

offa · 09-28-2004, 08:47 PM

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Toto:
Yes, but that gets into the "alternative" history area.

I have not read Gardner, nor care to. The problem is "time" and my
constant search for something new. I have read Holy Blood, Holy
Grail. I have dismissed the Jesus connection, however, not the
Herod connection. There was another Herod family shipped to Gaul
besides Antipas and Herodias. The former (Archelaus) could have set
up a "Jewish shop" and could have been joined by Antipas ("the Fisher
King?") and thus the enigma would begin. Antipas would have been well
acquainted with Jesus and not appreciate him.

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According to Gardner, Jesus married Mary Magdalene, and she was
pregnant with his child when he was crucified at Qumran, not Golgotha
as it is usually thought.

I did not know Gardner wrote this. I believe that Mary Magdalene did,
indeed, have Jesus' child, however, I believe that Qumran would be too
far remote from the perceived Jerusalem for this quick travel of
Pilate and Caiaphas. If Qumran was the location of the crucifixion
then I think we would have to re-locate Jerusalem ... which would not
be that far-fetched.

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This book is an amazing patchwork of scholarly trappings and dizzy tomfoolery
stitched together with myth and fable until it fabricates the amazing
argument that indeed the Crown of England properly belongs to the Line of
David through Jesus Christ himself. This is exhilarating fantasy worthy
of a great romantic novel.

The fantasy worthy of a great romantic novel is the perception of Jesus
and the Virgin Birth. BTW, I expect to be blasted, and, I welcome it.
In good humor I would like to propose a toast, as often is the case with
me and my insatiable appetite for alcohol ... "here's to you and here's to me,
and, if we should ever disagree ... here's to you and the hell with me!

offa

Magdlyn · 09-29-2004, 06:53 AM

OK, OK, but Jesus's and Mary M's child was a daughter, not a son: St Sarah the Egyptian, to whom are dedicated churches in the South of France, where she and her mum landed, by way of Egypt, after escaping J's enemies in Jerusalem.

The Woman with the Alabaster Jar, by M Starbird, for ref.

Toto · 09-29-2004, 11:23 AM

The Woman with the Alabaster Jar

Magdlyn · 09-29-2004, 11:38 AM

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The Woman with the Alabaster Jar

Thanks for adding link, Toto. I have also read 7 of the 9 other recced books on that pg, I see. Odd they would include Brown's Angels and Demons, which addresses the Illuminati and has nothing to do with Mary M, instead of The Da Vinci Code, which does. I guess they are pushing the former b/c everyone has already read the latter!

andrewcriddle · 09-29-2004, 12:55 PM

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Jesus' Jewish Relatives (the Desposynoi)

Jesus the carpenter

The Desposynoi (or Desposyni) claimed to be related to Jesus through one of his brothers. When Christianity become the official religion of the Roman Empire, they traveled to Rome and demanded that Christians follow the Jewish law. The emperor brushed them off, and they died out.

It is hard to know now if their claims were based on any real tradition, or if they just made it up.

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Does anyone know a primary source for the claim that Pope Sylvester had a confrontation with the Desposyni ?

It's not in any of my books and the internet sites that mention it seem to be quoting secondary sources (of which the most reliable seems to be the late Malachi Martin !!)

The sparse historical facts about Sylvester were supplemented by legends but I'm not aware of this particular claim in the standard Sylvester legend.

Andrew Criddle

09-28-2004, 08:34 PM	#15
Angyson Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 983	Ephesis Cave There is a cave just walking distance outside Ephesis, Turkey, which is, according to legend, where Mary lived out her days. I have visited it and can report that it is literally a hole in the wall.

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Magdlyn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,230	OK, OK, but Jesus's and Mary M's child was a daughter, not a son: St Sarah the Egyptian, to whom are dedicated churches in the South of France, where she and her mum landed, by way of Egypt, after escaping J's enemies in Jerusalem. The Woman with the Alabaster Jar, by M Starbird, for ref.

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