Light

What use is it to give a "religious observance" to a "religion" which ACTUALLY believes in the temptations of the devil and satan.

Would a Brother do such things to another Brother or would Sisters do this to each other?

ALL of this IS "religious" nonsense. If you do NOT pray to not be lead into temptation and delivered unto evil then religion WILL lead you into temptation and deliver you UNTO evil.

So here we all are again, in a world of priests, black-magic mumbo jumbo, evil, double-dealing crime and sexual induction. The Catholic church's way of having you ALL by the balls (See: Pope Joan) so that they can add 4�0 BILLION people to an overpopulated planet which is RAPIDLY becoming unable to sustain any form of life as resources run down, having spent the entire "cold war" on the brink of nuclear Apocalypse.

These people are CRAZY suicidal "religious" "martyrs" and the pope is a demented old fool. That all the world should be "catholic" in HIS mind means siding with terrrorists and criminals. Take Bugsy Segal ("Jewish") and Al Capone (catholic") plus Osama Bin Laden "Muslim" as examples.

Pol Pot is a good example of other forms of terrorism.

Who should we add to this list of infamy? Papa Doc Duvalier, Noriega, Marcos, the Ton Ton Macout, Mau Mau, The Bangalore stranglers, the "Son of Sam? These people are criminals.

But who is the crilminal who regards ALL of these people, inhabitants of this planet as being "catholic" to the planet?

Well it is NOT the Military, that I can tell you.

Never mind the rape torture and killing of unwanted women and children, just have MORE babies! Splendid reasoning from the chief lemming and his fellow "religious" lemming leaders leading the people toward Apocalypse.

These fatalists would like to create the conditions for WWIII it seems, as they pursue their feeble-minded ideas of "hol(e)y" wars where "babies" fight other "babies". And what are these sex-maniacs fighting for? Their "hole" and "their" hole-i-ness.

PATHETIC.

GOD is NOT weak, because He resists the temptation of the "devil" and turns his back on "satan", according to these feeble-minded brain-dead Philistines who conduct this orchestrated farce as if they were the conductor of an ochestra or a lightning conductor. "Le Maitre de la musique." "If music be the food of love play on." Unless you want to martyr yourself for this cunning old fool.

Variouly referred to as Mr. Manyana, who is going to sort it ALL out tomorrow, Ludicrous Sextus, Verging (Virgin) on the Ridiculous, Dead Los and his Orchestra, this two-faced Red & Black imbecilic Scarlet Pimpernel with his Heaven & hell scenario, where "satan" prays on a Saturday, could not conduct a bus or organise a booze-up in a brewery, simply because he has NO control of the numbers of people being born anywhere, at any time, having NEVER understood the Principle of The First Born Who must NOT be killed by these unenlightened BARBARIANS who then crucified Him, in the name of their religion and human sacrifice.

You ARE like SHEEP if you listen to this FOOL his preposterous dogmatic NONSENSE and his dummy "satan" or "Jacob's trouble makers", whilst he contemplates "his" "glory hole", in the name of "the most dominant religion", "in Nomine Domine", in the name of domination, being the "religion" with the greatest number of sheep-like followers. And then what does "religion" do? Fleeces the sheep of course. After all it is they who have "legalised" robbery and called it "religion".

So now the planet AND its people are ALL in Dire Straits. (Hear: "Brothers in Arms" by Dire Straits.) (Brothers in Arms Partners in Peace.)

As General De Gaulle said, you are like Veal standing in the darkness waiting for death, or the "second coming". (Superstitious nonsense about a second collision with Mars, the second "son" or "sun" of God.) (Have as many children as possible just is case there is a collision.)

ANY Military commander could do better and the entire planet could be run with a Military sized community rather than by a bunch of bum-bandits, bum-boys, shirt-lifters, arse lickers and their satanic following, mouthing ambiguities like double-tongued snakes offering "temptations".

The Catholic clergy's "greatest" claim to "fame" is that they never made love to a Woman. The Nun's ALL claim to be "married to Jesus" and the ENTIRE concept is a COMPLETE farce, ESPECIALLY if you listen to his tame "satan" referred to as "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" who would just like to pick a pocket of two and teach you do to the same. NOW you know why Christ had no pockets so that these theives could not pick His.

And this is just my Protestant, Puritanical, Presbyterian and Freethinking ... opinion.

So NOW maybe YOU TOO can see what it amounts to. Sectarian HYPOCRISY and hateful bigotry. Whilst all the time these fools are drowning in their own holy sea. They would do a LOT better to mind theor OWN business. "Nice bit of business my boy." (Son).

Maybe someone would like to get rid of all of these "porn-barons" close down the "sex-industry" (religion & "holiness") STOP blessing brothels as "poor man's holiness" and try acting REsponsibly for a change.

ONE belief, based in science, ONE language, to overcome the Tower of Babel babble, One Currency and ONE set of instruction for EVERYBODY. Otherwise you are just dealing in fatalistic nonsense leading to a man-made Apocalypse.

This IS God's Creation and you are ALL letting Him down.

You may care to wonder just what Monica Lewinsky was really doing in the White House, because this imbecile thought that satan would blow the World to pieces with nuclear weapons. So they set about discrediting the President with their mind control techniques.

So either you all kiss the pope's ass or his tame satan will steal from you.

Will you forgive him?

I will NEVER do so.

Light

"Bertrand Russell once commented that if one eats too little, one sees heaven, while if one drinks too much, one sees snakes."

So what do you have to do to be absolutely noraml and logical?

Simply give up religion ALTOGETHER. Just BELIEVE instead.

So now that you BELIEVE in God, what is all of this nonsense about temptation and sin? Who is it who is causing this to happen? Petrfectly normal people?

Not at all. SO it MUST be totally abnormal people. And for all of this to happen AT ALL these people MUST be evil.

If they were NOT evil then it ... COULD NOT HAPPEN.

So the catholic church sees the ENTIRE planet as being "catholic" but NOT in the Universal sense. It ONLY sees it in terms of Roman Catholicism.

So where is the LOGIC in that? Answer: There isn't any.

So what of the Logic & Logistics of running a planet properly on a LONG-TERM sustainable level, without warring, unholy "holy" wars and a LOT of nonsense?

How many "religious" beliefs will this require? Answer: ONE.

ONE God that is and NOT one religion as there are VERY many.

The Cathlic church is NOT Muslim, Not Buddhist and NOT anything else either. So where does an obscure belief such as the belief of Io come in, where other non-roman catholics ALSO believe in God and what about Manitou?

Why is it that only the Catholic church thinks that it alone is right? Obviously this is preposterous.

So if you have a scientific belief in God or a Freethinking belief in God you believe in God JUST AS WELL as any "religion".

It is not to be "religious" and deny that other people BELIEVE in God in their OWN way, by whichever means they have come to believe in Him. It is for the INDIVIDUAL to believe in God unless you WANT to be thought of and USED as sheep.

There is NO religious body that has dominion over you, ONLY God. You are NOT required to recognise ... any ... man as God, indeed it is FORBIDDEN to do so.

Wopud you have recognised a pope which burned Joan of Arc at the stake, or a church which tortured people into submitting to catholicism? Would you support a church that encouraged people to have too many children so that the population explosion, as people bred exponentially, soared from 2�0 Billion to 6�0 billion in ONLY 58 years?

Is there NOBODY who finds that a 300% increase in population is a TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE thing to encourage?

What is all this talk of sin and evil and just who is it who generates the evil and the temptation in order to PROMOTE sin as a thing to be "forgiven" later?

That dumb-ass bastard on his ruddy donkey,that is who.

All he is doing is playing with YOUR balls. (Again, see: "Pope Joan") in this long running papal farce and take a look at why there was an Hassidic uprising in POLAND and just who it was who orchestrated it all.

Probably that bloody dumb "Baron", Dead Loss and his ruddy orchestra.

Couldn't REgulate a wristwatch.

Thinks of himself as god and has totally screwed up the entire planet and all of its people beyond the point of sustainability, together with "his hole-i-ness", having produced more arseholes than you could thread on a pole.

Mocking crucifictions, nodding donkeys in front of a wall, fanatics thrashing themselves into a state of frenzy with chains.

Is this INTELLIGENCE?

"Protestant" versus "Catholic" "Muslim" versus "Jew", Jews versus Christains, Christians against Muslims and vice-versa, ALL with the SAME belief. ALL supposed to be BROTHERS with NO Earthly "father", NO priest no rabbi, no minister ... BROTHERS & SISTERS ... FRIENDS and NOT enemies and yet this "Warrior Pope has set the Cat amongst the Pigeons with his non-peace "strategy of making PEOPLE eat grass like so many sheep whilst they fight for ther hole in the hol(e)y land.

A DISGUSTING PERVERT.

There is NO scientific truth in ANY of this FARCICAL "religious" NONSENSE.

Damn it all, supposedly intelligent people are STILL throwing stones at the devil whilst naked hol(e)y men run into the Ganges.

It is ALL just a lot of mass hysteria whipped up by "religion". So YOU will get on your knees just to support them. These "religious" parasites.

Light

Whilst all of these "holy" men are hallucinating I wonder just how many realise that the world is grinding to a halt whilst people are fighting with and killing each other.

I wonder just how nmany mystics it takes to regulate and run a sustainble planet for a sustainable population?

I suggest that Jesus is NOT a matter for CURRENT affairs but that the state of the planet its long suffering people and this accursed religion should turn its attention to more PRACTICAL matters.

If God believes in HIMSELF which I suppose He does then I can believe in MYSELF in the SAME way.

I do NOT need a ruddy Holy man to show me where the correct hole is either, as you cannot produce children from the wrong hole.

Instead of lusting after papal power they would better get married themselves and have to WORK for a living then they could see just how difficult they have made it for everyione else by simply recklessly overpopulating the entire planet without taking ANY responsibility for the outcome.

They have ... nearly ... blindly led EVERYONE to Apocalypse by blindly following the bible to an illogical "conclusion".

Pure fatalism. Sheep leading sheep. They would call YOU sheep whilst they depend on the same planet for their own existance.

How dumb do these half-starved bread and water clerics have to be to see that the population is outstipping the planet's ability to support a growing population.

It is high time that people STOPPED having children for these nut-cases to experiment with and started taking stock of the situation on a GLOBAL scale.

ALL the people of this lanet are dependant on the FINITE available resources.

They shoud have encouraged ONE child families LONG ago and taken MUCH better care of them rather than mocking the population with mock crucifixtions, nodding dementia, chain-trashing fanaticism and a world poluted with pornography, tobacco, crime and there irresponsible priests.

They ARE a PESTILENCE and the famine is yet to come. According to this fatalistic view of Apocalypse there is only war and death to follow.

Why not reguulate PROPERLY and then all we have to do is to wait for Armageddon when the Sun blows up and it is all over?

How I despise these fatalistic "holy" men and their fatalistic approach to everything.

A lunatic doom & gloom scenario. These half dead half-wits don't know how to live but they love crucifying other people who disagree with them.

Again they could pray that pornography and related crime disappears, and they could pray that drugs and arms dealing disappears, they could pray that brothels are closed and they could pray that "someone else" will do it for them.

But then they CONDONE ALL of these things because they SAY that they are "testing" you. So these devils ACTUALLY condone the very evil which they evily use to "test" you with.

They even refer to these brothels as "poor man's holiness". Not too dificult for a celibate with no children of their own, to help these poor people then.

Have they nothing BETTER to do than to play around with devils, tempation and evil whilst killing off non-catholic Protestant Puritans by displacing them with innocent children?

It is HIGH TIME that the Vatican was CLOSED DOWN PERMANENTLY and CLEARED OUT, then they can take all of their devils and satans back to where they belong ... Hell.

What a load of hypocritical EVIL.

What a CUNNING old D-EVIL.

He certainy does pull some cunning stunts, this Matchmaker. Including ordering the Hassidim to attack blue-eyed blondes because they are too "arrogant", too proud of their good looks. What a "mistake" that was.

Now he has the Hassidim attacking the Palestinians after wrecking Great britain and its entire Empire which RESPONSIBLY controlled this planet before, with a WELL-TRAINED and DISCIPLINED Military.

He, the Pope, thinks that he can control it ALL by himself as long as EVERYONE has MORE babies for him and the robber Barons to fleece! Maybe we should run a POLE (POLL) on just how well you think he is doing. Maybe his donkey will act as spokesdonkey or his tame baboon will give us all his "Thots" on the matter.

A bag of snakes these devils and satans. Or are they really ONE and the same?

What a ruddy WASTE of time!

I wonder if they ALL work for the same "god".

Light

What a LOT of nonsense. All this rubbish about devils ansd satans and sexual testing/indoctrination. All of these so-called "devils" and satans would be better off doing some WORK stop breeding like lemmings, stop fighting for a hole in the hol(e)y land and stop behaving like a bunch of madmen.

But then the pope is insane so they think they should emulate him I suppose.

In "The Life of Brian" if Brian had a brain He would not bother with this lot of mad hatters and their suicidal "religious martyrdom" on behalf of a raving nut-case, stop wandering about the planet like a Fish Called Wanda, settle down and stop irritating everyone.

If they had ALL gone to Australia LONG ago instead of pandering to this Monster Raving Loony then they would NOT have to take part in Monty Python's Flying Circus.

What the hell is scientific about this lot of Mickey Mouse madness?

Light

The Christian Teaching is that of LOVE between all people out of RESPECT for each other and The God Who made them all.

Obviously as this is a Message from The Son of God then it applies equally to ALL people, as it is God Who made them ALL.

Certainly ALL people should show RESPECT for God and everything that HE has Created.

They MUST therefore RESPECT each other in order to achieve this.

This respect must be shown between ... ALL ... opposing parties and ideologies, and it is for ... ALL ... opposing parties to FULLY co-operate with each other.

For it ALL to work as it should, ALL people should adopt the SAME system of belief, and to get over the problem of sectarianism and fringe religion, this belief CAN and should be based in SCIENCE alone.

A Scientific Believer needs NO Church as neither does God Himself.

Not to belong to a church, or to any religion does NOT denote that people do not believe. They believe in a scientific way, as members of a Freethinking Laicity. Lay Teachers, both of belief and of morality.

As God has NO church then NEITHER does His Son as neither of them need such a device to "believe" in each other, as they, SELF-Evidently, already KNOW each other.

KNOW thyself and thou shall come to know God. If you can imagine His true nature then you will imagine Someone MUCH more powerful than you may have thought previously. CREATOR of Heaven and Earth. To Create such a Universe requires a LOT of power.

If you RESPECT God then HE ... may ... come to RESPECT you.

RE is ALWAYS REspectful of God. And so one RE may REspect another RE, as both show REspect one unto the other, as Equals.

If one RE should become angry and turn into RA then RE will not respect RA, as RE does not care for anger. RE has only REspect for intelligence.

As long as this intelligence is used for the benefit of everyone then it is an intelligence worth having.

If it is only used to advance the individual then it can be seen as being selfish.

True LOVE is Altruistic. Not selfish.

And so it was that Christ was crucified between two opposing hypocrisies who had decided to steal from each other. In this respect Christ found Himself caught in a sectarian and ideological divide. These FALSE divisions are, in fact ... illogical.

In ALL conflicts it is Christ Who is the REFEREE.

A Good REferee like to see a FAIR contest and fair play and so it is that you come to A FAIR RE.

NOT a "fairy" sitting on top of the Christmas tree, A FAIR RE who is looking down over you. Protecting you from yourselves and from each other.

For you should ALL be living in Peace, out of REspect for a God Who would love you more if you would treat each other with REspect and REspect Him at the same time.

A REspectful LOVE.

The REspectful Love that any son or daughter should show towards his or her Father or Mother.

RESPECT THY FATHER and THY MOTHER as GOD would have YOU REspect HIM.

This is ALL that HE expects of you.

Godot

I'm terribly sorry for asking, but light, what are you blathering on about?

Space Chef

I've been wondering this ever since reading his first reply in this thread. I was afraid to ask because I thought I would look stupid, like maybe I missed another post that mentioned what he's talking about.

But now that it's been said, I'll ask:

Light, what the fuck are you talking about?

Light

Neither "comment" is worth replying to.

You should never use expletives on a public forum. Certainly not one as coarse and as vulgar as the one you have choosen to use.

variant 13

I asked that he posted the same thing in a different thread here's the link:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2

time index January 4, 2004 05:17 PM

Not that it helped I think he's making it up

Space Chef

Hunny, in a world full of murder, rape, ebola, AIDs, slavery, and greed, saying fuck isn't that big of a deal anymore.

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