RED DAVE

Nazaroo, still waiting for a response to your claims:

1) That the Polish people are largely Jewish.

2) That large numbers of German Jews became Jehovah's Witnesses.

3) The large numbers of Jews, today, are becoming Jehovah's Witnesses.

4) The Jehovah's Witnesses world headquarters is dominated by Jews.

5) Stalin was a Jew.

RED DAVE

Nazaroo

Yep. Those are my beliefs. But if someone were to produce counter-evidence, I would take that into consideration.

These things aren't Articles of Faith for me as Jew.

The Torah is of course a fundamental document, along with a healthy dose of selected Talmud.

But I also feel the Prophets are of equal importance for defining my ethical understanding the Word of Adonai and the faith of the Loyal Remnant of Israel.

I think the priests got out of hand after Mosheh.

Little Billy

Well, the Jehovah's Witnesses DID try to "convert" as many Jews as possible, in an effort to save them from the Nazis.

But any rubbish about Jews controlling the JW religion sound more like that Protocols bullshit.

RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:
From Nazarro:
Your response is irrelevent. It's not a matter of your beliefs.

You made a series of outlandish claims. The burden of proof is on you. You can cling to whatever you like as the bases for your beliefs in the privacy of your own mind, but when you put stuff out in public, proof is required.

Otherwise, you're just spouting, which is not to be taken seriously.

So, one more time, how about some proof for your assertions 1 - 5 above?

RED DAVE

RED DAVE

From Little Billy:
1) I would like to see proof that they even tried in a significant way.

2) The point is that whether they tried or not, the assertion is that they succeeded in converting large numbers of Jews and are continuing to do so,

From Little Billy:
Exactly.

RED DAVE

Nazaroo

You asked for a response. You got one. Don't whine about it.




Wrong. I made statements about historical facts I believe.
History isn't reproducable science. If you want to change my beliefs,
The burden of proof is on you.

I can state any opinion about history that I happen to believe.
Every opinion, and side and position on political history and historical conflicts offends someone.
There is no special status for Jews and their flakey beliefs, any more than there is for anyone else.

No proof is required. You are free to state your own beliefs.
You have no special rights or claims to demand 'proof' from me.

You are talking like a child.
Scientists don't deal in 'proofs' any more than they deal in 'Creationism'.
Scientists deal with probabilities and entertain hypotheses,
and look to predict new facts or hidden relationships.

Naturally science is completely opposed to all politics.

You got your answer.
Now you look like a fool, repeating your question over and over.

Prove your assertions 1 - 5 that you claim are false.

The burden is on you, if you want to convince others, including me.
I am already quite happy with my political and historical beliefs.

But I am always open to new evidence.

Just provide convincing evidence, and I may be persuaded.

Otherwise, I'll just think you're a dick.

Nialler

Need a hand shifting that burden of proof, Nazaroo?

It's really quite simple. When you make a claim, you are expected to back it up.

You've been asked to back up some very big claims.

Backing them up should be simple, no?

Nazaroo

Thing is, I'm real busy right now on an important thread.

Red Dave started all this by accusing me of racism and anti-semitism.

I just want an apology.

Like now.

premjan

I thought it was a bit odd to accuse someone of antisemitism for saying that Jews tend to become Jehovah's Witnesses. Either they do or they don't. If you are a Jew and you don't like JWs or JWs are universally negatively perceived then I suppose that's antisemitic in a rather distant sense. But if it is a Jew saying it, it is sort of like a black guy saying nigger and it doesn't count.

Nialler

He did what?

He certainly said that one of your claims was racist, and said something similar regarding another claim, which he found a bit anti-semitic.

That's not calling you either of tose things. His comments related to the claims.

So put that aside, and back up your claims. Maybe that will clarify whether they are racist or anti-semitic.