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Old 08-14-2004, 07:37 AM   #1
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Default Censor Rock & Rap? Censor The Bible First!

I was just reading an article writen by a Christian about how rock & rap
music should be censored because of their violent and sexual content. Oh, yeah? What about the Bible? It's far more offensive than anything found in rock or rap. Here are but a few examples:

"O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks. " (Ps. 137.8-9)

"Send therefore now, and gather thy cattle, and all that thou hast in the field; for upon every man and beast which shall be found in the field, and shall not be brought home, the hail shall come down upon them, and they shall die." (Ex. 9:19)

"An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee." (Ex. 20:24)

"Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake."(Ex. 21:24, 25, 26, 27)

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." {Lev. 20:9-16)

"The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." (Num. 1:51)

"And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh" (Dt. 12:27)

"And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance." (Dt. 21:22-23)

"And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee" (Dt. 28:53)

"They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men"(Dt. 32:21-26)

"But Adonibezek fled; and they pursued after him, and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and his great toes."(Judges 1:7)

"Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand." (Judges 12:6) {Fourty two thousand had to die because somebody mispronounced one word? WTF?}

"And Absalom spake unto his brother Amnon neither good nor bad: for Absalom hated Amnon, because he had forced his sister Tamar." (2nd Sam. 13:22) {This chapter includes incest, rape, and murder; it should be rated NC-17}

"And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends." (1st Kings 16:11) {It says piss! Naughty, naughty!}

"And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." (2nd King 2:23-24)

"And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses. (2nd Kinds 19:35) {How did they arise if they were dead? Equally, why is there absolutely no record of a massacre of this size ever taking place outside the Bible?}

"And Amaziah strengthened himself, and led forth his people, and went to the valley of salt, and smote of the children of Seir ten thousand.
And other ten thousand left alive did the children of Judah carry away captive, and brought them unto the top of the rock, and cast them down from the top of the rock, that they all were broken in pieces."(2nd Chronicles 25:11-12)

"Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath.
The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked."(Psalms 28:6-10)

"And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh." (Rev. 19:20-21)

And this isn't even CLOSE to showing all of the cruelties, sex, and violence in the Bible. For a bigger & better list, go here- http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

It's pretty obvious that the Bible has more violence & sex in it than any rock or rap song ever writen. Should we censor the Bible? It's only fair, if you're going to do it to music, to censor something just as, no, more filled with smut than any song....

I think Marilyn Manson said it best: “Who’s the worst influence, God or Marilyn Manson?�

It is pretty funny though; that these uptight moral crusaders who want to remove every trace of "filth" from music & the movies have a book in their homes with more violence & sex than anything they're trying to censor...
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Why would you want to be as unreasonable and narrow minded as the goofs that propose banning rock and rap music? Howsabout we don't ban anything and let people make up their minds from an informed point of view?
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Why would you want to be as unreasonable and narrow minded as the goofs that propose banning rock and rap music? Howsabout we don't ban anything and let people make up their minds from an informed point of view?
*Sigh*

It's called pointing out hypocracy.

Likewise, I may point to the DEA and ask why they ban marijuana, but not alcohol or cigarettes. It doesn'tmean that I want them to ban either, but I am pointing out a hypocritical position.
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You know, it's just possible that the OP was using an ironic tone while asking that Bible-thumping censors be consistent in their crusades against violent verbal imagery.
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The reason they won't censor the Bible is because it is holy. :banghead:

I have also seen alot of bad in the Bible. It's kinda funny though how you never hear about this stuff in church. Like the book called the Songs of Songs (sometimes called Songs of Solomon or just Songs, something like that depending on what translation you have). It's pretty much full of sex.
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Well I am am metalhead and Christian too(I hate rap tho so that could be banned ). I don't agree with banning either rap or rock. This has been a taboo with Christians for quite some time and honestly I surely don't know why, I think the main reason is because it promotes individualism(not sure how this conflicts with Christianity tho). There is Christian rock and rap by the way even white metal which is the same as black metal but with Christian themes and I think it is much better than the mainstream music they have.

Honestly I think Christians should open up and reach to different mediums and music types to reach out people. I think there is no harm to come up with a Christian version of Marilyn Manson
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The reason they won't censor the Bible is because it is holy. :banghead:
That, and the offensive passages in the Bible fly under the radar because most Christians can be counted on not to read the Bible beyond what's spoon-fed to them in church.
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Well I am am metalhead and Christian too(I hate rap tho so that could be banned ). I don't agree with banning either rap or rock. This has been a taboo with Christians for quite some time and honestly I surely don't know why, I think the main reason is because it promotes individualism(not sure how this conflicts with Christianity tho). There is Christian rock and rap by the way even white metal which is the same as black metal but with Christian themes and I think it is much better than the mainstream music they have.

Honestly I think Christians should open up and reach to different mediums and music types to reach out people. I think there is no harm to come up with a Christian version of Marilyn Manson
IAsimisI, you seam to be part of the quite minority.

<fundy hat>But the traditional Christain music is just so much better. Why can't we just go back to God's music. There is just so much more quality to it....</fundy hat> hehehe Heard something like that some years ago on a Focus on the Family broadcast call-in, and Dobson was dumb enough to be saying yeah. They were talking about standard hymnal books (1700-1950 music). I loved the traditional claim. Yeah, I can just imagine those Greek and Roman dudes singing that. :rolling:

They are hung up on the music for the same reasons they are hung up on alcohol, cloths...muusssttt nnnoooottttt have fun? And this way they get to bitch about what others do.
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<fundy hat>But the traditional Christain music is just so much better. Why can't we just go back to God's music. There is just so much more quality to it....</fundy hat> hehehe Heard something like that some years ago on a Focus on the Family broadcast call-in, and Dobson was dumb enough to be saying yeah. They were talking about standard hymnal books (1700-1950 music). I loved the traditional claim. Yeah, I can just imagine those Greek and Roman dudes singing that. :rolling:
What I don't understand is what do they mean by "going back to God's music", what I think they need to do is to get in the pool and launch a full blow of Christian oriented media. But not the repent or burn type of thing or the histerical Televangelist they have now, or a new version of Noah or Moses or the life of Jesus or another remake of the exorsist but new stuff that explores other areas of the Christian faith and way of life.

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They are hung up on the music for the same reasons they are hung up on alcohol, cloths...muusssttt nnnoooottttt have fun? And this way they get to bitch about what others do.
Yeah and I am quite disapointed with them for that! Who said Christians can't be cool or radical or that they can't have fun? I would love to see some concert of Christian metal or something different or a really thought provoking Christian movie instead of Mel Gibson's masacre, which I "liked" but I think they focus too much on that.
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