Clivedurdle

OK, the new Dan Brown book is about Dante, but is there a definitive history of hell and its evolution, its various models and structures?

For example, Gehenna seems to have become the Islamic one and has had several nasty knobs added. Billy Graham's has an out of touch with God, lonely one, sheol is a grave isn't it?

What of the Greeks and followers of Ahura Mazda?

Saw a comment that Jesus might have upgraded hell, if he existed, did he?

More syncretism?

James Brown

The History of Hell, by Alice Turner (or via: amazon.co.uk)

I've not read this book, but it sounds like it might have what you're looking for.

Clivedurdle

I want a wider discussion than that - that book seems to focus on the xian hell, what of the Islamic and other ones?

Clivedurdle

Just looking at the preview of that - never heard of "abominable fancy". It seems those in heaven watch demurely the goings on in hell!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_Farrar

Chili

Dante is poetic and cannot explain his poems by himself.

From my point of view it is very simple and I wrote lots on it here too.

To me, heaven is a state of mind wherein the mind of Christ is the Christian who walked the same walk so he can talk the same talk, as did Paul, who therefore was witness, regardless of aa's research on this, since that experience is not time related and according to me Paul was in the same cocoon that Jesus was, and so knows the transformation first-hand. Just that simple with no more to say.

Then if that is required to gain heaven on earth, it must also be true that hell can be seen from that lofty position who so are entertained by the folly of saved-sinners below, who themselves are convinced that man is basically evil because they cannot seem to 'finish the race' and need to die first.

Accordingly they will, and probably must call Paul a lier because they know that they are saved and their thoughts cannot match the insights of Paul.

As I see it, back to Galilee after crucifixion equals hell on earth. Remember here that Plato called it a deprivation of the privation they see, and that must be agony for them, which then is the difference between cold, lukewarm and hot.

Kosh

Islamic hell is where they get 72 wives in the afterlife.

Oh wait, they think that would be heaven.....👅

Chili

Virgins to entice fanaticism in their soon to be adults, and anything less would be hell in the hereafter.

Chili

. . . and if then you consider that 'not saved' is cold such as Catholics but not just Catholics, and saved is lukewarm that is typical 'rally-tent' style including Billy Graham Crusades to point at the persuasion needed to baptize the believer with the HS this time, while yet sinner they remain while torn in the what I call saved-sinner complex, wherein they see a victory and are moved to convert the world around them instead of their own mind = the army of Jesus as Lord to form the next World Government who in their final battle will meet the Muslims who have this same World Government idea for their prophet at the expense of Jesus, and so will meet head on to bomb the entire world to smithereens in the name of the idol they worship today.

The hot would be those as shown in Luke and John that are just opposite to Matthew and Mark that is quit obvious all over but in John 1:13 reads: "who were begotten not by blood, nor by carnal desire, nor by man's willing it, but by God" to make this difference known.

mountainman

From the Greek "daimon" thread ...


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