BadBadBad

No I don't agree that God's prerogative to butcher children like goats was just. I've given you God's existence and prerogative all along. You still haven't established the justice.

Now let's talk about the prerogative. I created children. Do I have the prerogative to kill them? Can you explain how God as the creator has the prerogative?

Therese

Just a minute - let's take this back a step.

The title of this thread is 'was moses a baby killer?', therefore we are talking here about specific incidences mentioned in the bible about MOSES having children (men and women too, but this is an aside) MURDERED, under the supposed direction of his god. Am I correct so far? :huh:

So, if my above statement is correct, then the pain inflicted on them came as a result of orders from Moses, who, in turn, was following orders from his god.

If all of these statments are correct then it follows - in my logic at least - that the 'evil' to be 'overcome' which cannot be 'admirable' without 'pain', ( I repeat - The EVIL!) comes from this god ???

So to summarize.....
I should believe in an evil god who kills babies for fun? :huh:

Thank you Lee Merrill, for enlightening me :notworthy :notworthy

Gamut

This is at least the second time that lee has outright admitted that these actions were evil.

One wonders, now that he has said it twice, how he can also continue to deny it. It make sense though, he is getting his contradictory view from a book full of contradiction.

The longer I am here, everytime I tell someone I used to be a very devoted christian, I get more embarrased.

John A. Broussard

If you look closely, it does seem that lee is groping his way out. Admitting to the contradiction was a baby-step forward.

Enda80

The Kami deities (Amaterasu et al.), Yahweh's collaborators druring World War II, will join him on the docket.

lee_merrill

Hi everyone,

Well at least we agree now that God has that prerogative! Only I think we don't agree on that, but this was the point of phrasing this question this way, for then I could ask why God did not exercise his prerogative here appropriately, and proceed from there.

But now this is phrasing the question to contain your view in it. This is what I was trying to point out, this is not a way to advance the discussion...

Because he can see the outcome of any given event, to the end, even beyond death?

If a robber cuts me, and cuts out a tumor somehow, and God arranged this, knowing the result, for example. But we can't know the future like this, so we don't have this prerogative.

Isn't the motive, and the purpose, and the ultimate outcome, what is critical? That is my response.

That was the conclusion, I am contesting this description though, for example, by writing my own description of the details, we may all do this, and it does not, again, help us make any progress.

This was an example of a pertinent principle though, and not an explanation of these events. I hold that the Canaanites were possibly into demonic interactions, and may have been quite extensively infected with this, giving supernatural abilities, and this judgment was a judgment, not an evil to be overcome.

Regards,
Lee

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And your evidence for this is...?

And don't bother with biblical claims about cannibalism or child sacrifice. The Romans did that smear campaign to the Christians when there were but a little cult. Real evidence. Archaeological, anthropological, solid evidence.

John A. Broussard

And this justifies Moses having babies killed?

Let's go over that again. Moses ordered the killing of babies and even of the unborn. Was this because those innocents where somehow into demonic interactions?

Enlighten. please.

Gamut

Gee, John...don't you know? They were the spawn of demons! Kill them!

Even though the text says nothing about this...we can guess to convince ourselves it's OK to kill them. :down:

John A. Broussard

I especially like the fact that the Christian theists who read that marvelous biblical passage will insist that a doctor who has performed an abortion has killed an "innocent unborn."