jgibson000

I have no idea what you are talking about.

What are "the fish" you speak of?

JG

mountainman

fish symbol, and christianity

Results 1 - 100 of about 54,700 for christian "fish symbol". (0.22 seconds)

Elsewhere Joe has provided evidence to associate the appearance
of this "commonly conceived" fish symbolism to coins and archeological
relics associated with the Flavians, in the first century.

Before this, I had never seen a sure citation (outside of the literary
tradition) - ie: coins, inscriptions, etc - by which "christianity" and this
"fish symbolism" could be objectively related.

jgibson000

This is entirely unhelpful. What are "the fish" that Joe is making claims about and are reputedly associated with Vespasian & Co.? In what texts are these reputed associations supposed to be made?

JG

mountainman

Hey Joe,

Can you post that reference to the coinage of the Flavians,
or provide that link to another discussion (at another board)
as I cannot locate the page here and now.

Alexp

Personally, I think that the "bullying" that's been directed at Joe is the best endorsement of his book that I've heard so far. It makes me think that people are actually frightened that he might be on to something!

jgibson000

Yeah. That's it. We're frightened. OMG, a fellow who has no Latin and Greek is telling us what Latin and Greek texts say! Run for the hills!!!

Good grief.

Perhaps, since you think there is something in what Joe claims, you could show us "bullies" where the Greek and/or Latin words for "Christ" appears in any of the texts Joe says it does (i.e., Cassius Dio, Roman History 65.8.1, 66.1.4; Josephus, Jewish War 3.399-404 and 6.310-315; Suetonius, Life of Vespasian 4.5; Tacitus, Histories 5.13; Zonaras, Epitome 11.16) and where it is therein applied to, or said (or thought by Vespasian) to belong to Vespasian?

And while you are at it, perhaps you could explain why it is that, despite the fact that Joe keeps confidently asserting over and over again (see his recent round of this on the JM List -- where no one, including Earl D., is buying it) that the Greek and/or Latin term for "Christ" does appear in these texts and that it is therein applied to, or said (or thought by Vespasian/Flavians) to belong to Vespasian/Flavians, Joe keeps prescinding from showing through an analysis of the Greek and/or Latin of these texts that this is indeed the case, but instead only responds when asked to do so with "we're done".

From my perspective, it ain't us "bullies" who are frightened.

JG

Chris Weimer

If you wanna waste your money, by all means, that's your decision. I've seen people buy worse.

However, how in the world are we "bullying" Joe. A guy without credentials, or necessary training, for that matter, who plagiarizes online sites without credit, and then refuses to engage in dialogue because he won't share the details of his book?

If I'd known better, I'd consider you a sock-poppet of Joe. But alas, you too are probably just duped by something that sounds new and innovative, not realizing that if you would read the archives, we've been over this before. Joe plays his little game, and then when facing his accounting, he plays the martyr.

Pathetic.

Alexp

Does sarcasm usually work for you or is this the type of the scholarship I should anticipate from this forum? If you have a rebuttal to Joe's thesis, state it -- clearly and with a little professionalism. The abuse and the obscenities I've read on this thread are tactics I'd expect from children who have run out of anything pertinent to say.

Do you have anything pertinent to contribute?

Because, in my opinion, your points are rendered moot by your emotional replies.

Chris Weimer

Alexp - I see you're new here. This thread has been going on for many months now, and during the first few posts there are links to yet other threads about Atwill and his theory. Read them first and them come back when you're done.

Johann_Kaspar

Yeah, follow Chris' advice. You will find several rebuttals. Unless you are here to support Atwill...
Atwill's thesis is crap. The best example is the passover lamb happening in August, when Atwill cannot even understand that it is happening in August by reading Josephus. Atwill's thesis is an insult to intelligence and to the Jews.