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Old 02-16-2008, 08:50 AM   #21
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So Spin tell us do what you believe in, Evolution? Do you hold to Atheism? There is no such thing as "looking outside the box" every belief system is from inside the box....the world. And everyone believes in one of these inside beliefs.
You are a product of your society. Leave the society. (No, Joe, the world ain't one big society.)


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So tell us what do you believe in Spin? Different societies, different beliefs, same world....all inside the same box. :wave:
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And so he returns (with the same questions). Why don't you read my "Desolation of Egypt" thread which was a response just for you....Johnny.
Nope, I will not allow you to be a bully. You always insist on whose arguments get discussed. That will not work any longer. If you continue to refuse to directly reply to my arguments, I will refuse to directly reply to your arguments, and I will continue to repost my arguments even if you continue to refuse to reply to them.

Micah 5:2 says “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kingdom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, would at least one more Jew have accepted Jesus? Please answer the question yes or no. If you wish to elaborate further, that is fine, but please start with a yes or no answer.

I do not really need that argument, or any other argument regarding a particular Bible prophecy. No God who wanted people to believe that he can predict the future would refuse to make indisputable predictions, and needlessly create confusion by making disputable predictions. An example of an indisputable prediction would be a prediction when and where a natural disaster would occur, month, day, and year. If the Bible contained lots of predictions like that, there would be no need to debate whether or not at least one being exists who is able to predict the future.

Why doesn't the Bible contain any indisputable prophecies?

Again, if you continue to refuse to directly reply to my arguments, I will refuse to directly reply to your arguments, and even if you continue to refuse to directly reply to my arguments, I will still frequently repost them in order to show the undecided crowd that you are not nearly as confident of your arguments as you pretend you are. Your days of being a bully are over.
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Oh, by the way, isn't this stuff ~e~ material?
All of his threads should start there and work their way up if they have any merit...
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It proves that God EXIST? :Cheeky:
What a childish critic
I think you failed to acknowledge the intended good nature of the tongue-in-cheek smiley in an adult manner.

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Isaiah began his work in the days of Uzziah King of Judah. I love it when critics claim the "written after" arguement with no proof.
The latter comment would not ring so hollow if you were to offer some "proof" for your prior assertion here.
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Yes, so why dont you educate us Mr. Spin?
"{U}s"? Multiple personality now, sugarhitman?

You had some opportunity to learn something about history regarding Tyre and you failed. You had some opportunity to learn something about history regarding the context of Daniel and you failed. You've had opportunities and you didn't use them. I'm not opting for three times proves it. I'll give you the same advice I gave arnoldo (who refused the advice): go to a good library and get some scholarly literature -- in your case on Isaiah.


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Why not just read Isaiah 53(Young), it clearly has some messianic prophecies that the writers of the New Testament were aware of including the following:

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Who hath given credence to that which we heard? And the arm of Jehovah, On whom hath it been revealed?

2 Yea, he cometh up as a tender plant before Him, And as a root out of a dry land, He hath no form, nor honour, when we observe him, Nor appearance, when we desire him.

3 He is despised, and left of men, A man of pains, and acquainted with sickness, And as one hiding the face from us, He is despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 And he is pierced for our transgressions, Bruised for our iniquities, The chastisement of our peace is on him, And by his bruise there is healing to us.

6 All of us like sheep have wandered, Each to his own way we have turned, And Jehovah hath caused to meet on him, The punishment of us all.

7 It hath been exacted, and he hath answered, And he openeth not his mouth, As a lamb to the slaughter he is brought, And as a sheep before its shearers is dumb, And he openeth not his mouth.

8 By restraint and by judgment he hath been taken, And of his generation who doth meditate, That he hath been cut off from the land of the living? By the transgression of My people he is plagued,
This is consistent with Daniel 9:26(Young) in which the Messiah is cut off.

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Seventy weeks are determined for thy people, and for thy holy city, to shut up the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to cover iniquity, and to bring in righteousness age-during, and to seal up vision and prophet, and to anoint the holy of holies. 25 And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader is seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times. 26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah,
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Message to sugarhitman: You have wasted your time starting a lot of threads on Bible prophecies since my arguments in this post adequately refute all of your arguments regarding Bible prophecy.

Micah 5:2 says “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” If Micah had predicted that the messiah would rule a heavenly kingdom instead of an earthly kingdom like Micah misled the Jews to believe, and had predicted that the messiah would heal people, and that the messiah would be crucified, buried, and rise from the dead in three days, and that Pontius Pilate would become the Roman governor of Palestine, and that Herod would become the King of Judea, there are not any doubts whatsoever that at least one more Jew would have accepted Jesus.

I do not really need that argument, or any other argument regarding a particular Bible prophecy. No God who wanted people to believe that he can predict the future would refuse to make indisputable predictions, and needlessly create confusion by making disputable predictions. An example of an indisputable prediction would be a prediction when and where a natural disaster would occur, month, day, and year. If the Bible contained lots of predictions like that, there would be no need to debate whether or not at least one being exists who is able to predict the future.

You have not provided any sensible reasons why God makes disputable predictions instead of making indisputable predictions. If the God of the Bible does not exist, that explains why there is not one single indisputable prophecy in the Bible, or in any other religious book.

If you refuse to directly reply to my arguments, I will refuse to directly reply to your arguments, and even if you continue to refuse to directly reply to my arguments, I will still frequently repost them in this thread, and in all of your other threads on Bible prophecy in order to show the undecided crowd that you are not nearly as confident of your arguments as you pretend you are. I will not allow you to be a bully who insists on choosing whose arguments get discussed.
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Why not just read Isaiah 53(Young), it clearly has some messianic prophecies that the writers of the New Testament were aware of.......
My reply to that is the same reply that I made to sugarhitman in my previous post.
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Why not just read Isaiah 53(Young), it clearly has some messianic prophecies that the writers of the New Testament were aware of.......
My reply to that is the same reply that I made to sugarhitman in my previous post.
Why should we respond to someone such as you? Do you know what you sound like? A big kid whinning, who sounds like he is angry with God. Your repetive arguements are so numerous that I dont even read them any longer, I skip over them. We have answered your questions many times, I have even written a thread called "Desolation of Egypt" and yet you continue to say I have avoided this. Johnny you are stark raving mad, and should be ignored. This is my last time responding to you. :wave:
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Why should we respond to someone such as you? Do you know what you sound like? A big kid whinning .........
Well that just broke my IRONY meter anyone else have the same problem:devil1:
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